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and r/cpp mods just woke up, banning everyone who question (am I still allowed to use that word?) this lunatic behavior. For context: A week ago, someone out fo

and r/cpp mods just woke up, banning everyone who question (am I still allowed to use that word?) this lunatic behavior. For context: A week ago, someone out for blood put out a slander article referencing this amongst other things. edit: After going on a banning spree, foonathan nuked the thread with "I am not going to deal with this on a Sunday". Nice

foonathan 2y ago
Hey, u/ss99ww. We did not go on a banning spree, we banned only one person, you. After removing the comment we're you insulted someone, I checked your history, noticed that you did not meaningfully participate in r/cpp outside this thread, and decided to remove someone from the community who'd only be there to cause trouble. (And for the record, we barely removed any comments, just the ones that directly insulted people.)
- bun_terminator 2y ago
  I participated for r/cpp for a very large number of years, including quite a number of high-impact posts - just not with that account. And would you be so kind to actually link to the comment you banned me for? This is it, for everyone to see and judge: https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_contributor_expelled_for_the/lyp8b9a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_co...
  - foonathan 2y ago
    > I participated for r/cpp for a very large number of years, including quite a number of high-impact posts - just not with that account. Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then. > And would you be so kind to actually link to the comment you banned me for? This is it, for everyone to see and judge: Nah, that was just the comment I used to get to your profile. I banned you for insulting someone.
    - bun_terminator 2y ago
      > Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then. I'd love to, but reddit and cpp keep banning/suspending accounts - so I can't! Funny how that works isn't it? > Nah, that was just the comment I used to get to your profile. I banned you for insulting someone. That is not true. Here is the message: > Hello, You have been permanently banned from participating in r/cpp because your comment violates this community's rules. You won't be able to post or comment, but you can still view and subscribe to it. With the link being to https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_contributor_expelled_for_the/lyp8b9a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_co...
      - foonathan 2y ago
        > That is not true. I banned you, so I like to think I'm an authority on why you were banned. Here's a step by step timeline of what happened. 1. This comment of yours received a high number of reports and was automatically filtered: https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/comment/lyp3jlb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/comment/lyp3jl... 2. I agreed with the reports and removed your comments. 3. I read the rest of the comments in your thread, and noticed your username repeatedly. I wasn't familar with you, so when I reached https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_contributor_expelled_for_the/lyp8b9a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_co... I clicked on your profile. 4. After noticing your lack of contributions to r/cpp, I decided you are just someone who causes moderation trouble without contributing useful technical insights, so I decided to ban you. That's why the above comment is listed in your ban reason. If you had posted the slur on an account with actual history in r/cpp and no previous removed comments, I would not have banned you. Edit: 5. Reddit administrators have now removed your comment as well.
        bun_terminator 2y ago
        > Reddit administrators have now removed your comment as well. yes of course they have, they banned my entire account. Because that's what reddit does. See my points above
- gatorized 2y ago
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seanhunter 2y ago
I’m not sure complaining on HN about being banned from a subreddit makes much sense.
- bun_terminator 2y ago
  I think it's important context that this huge issue is being silenced on the largest c++ community
  - foonathan 2y ago
    It's not silenced, the post is up for all to see. We have just disabled the ability to post new comments under it.
    - gatorized 2y ago
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  - seanhunter 2y ago
    Not sure this _is_ a huge issue. As someone who's not involved it just seems like standard issue interpersonal drama that happens on every committee, board etc and to every tech project from time to time. eg in linux, git exists because of the Larry McEvoy Bitkeeper drama, there was the Eric S Raymond kernel build config drama, there were numerous Reiserfs and devfs dramas, etc etc etc. In the gnu/fsf world we have had the recent guy leaves because he doesn't like the fact that treesitter is the standard c++ mode drama, you had the emacs vs xemacs dramas, numerous "RMS intervenes to prevent people having an intermediate representation in the GCC compiler" dramas, etc etc. The list is incredibly long. People fight and lose political battles. They leave some committee that most people don't care about. Nothing really important is affected in any way. Here as someone who was not involved it seems both sides are a bit unreasonable, and some guy has left the standards committee as a result. Really doesn't seem like you complaining about how reddit mods have responded to your posting there has any relevance here.
    - 2y ago
vasama 2y ago
You were clearly banned for the comment where you used offensive slurs in reference to the author of a previously discussed blog post. I was happy to report the comment.
- bun_terminator 2y ago
  It was clearly not - as it was not the comment referenced in the ban. That - again - is an objective truth. It word in the other comment was also not a slur, but - surprise surprise - the objective truth, again.
  - foonathan 2y ago
    Saying "XXX is an asshole" if XXX is in fact an asshole is also the objective truth, yet warrants removal for insulting someone.
    - bun_terminator 2y ago
      I genuinely don't think the word I used is comparable to asshole
      - lostmsu 2y ago
        It would be better to judge the whole thing if you quoted the word instead of going "the word I used". If you get flagged for quoting here, at least we will learn a valuable lesson.

foonathan 2y ago

Hey, u/ss99ww. We did not go on a banning spree, we banned only one person, you. After removing the comment we're you insulted someone, I checked your history, noticed that you did not meaningfully participate in r/cpp outside this thread, and decided to remove someone from the community who'd only be there to cause trouble. (And for the record, we barely removed any comments, just the ones that directly insulted people.)

bun_terminator 2y ago
I participated for r/cpp for a very large number of years, including quite a number of high-impact posts - just not with that account. And would you be so kind to actually link to the comment you banned me for? This is it, for everyone to see and judge: https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_contributor_expelled_for_the/lyp8b9a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_co...
- foonathan 2y ago
  > I participated for r/cpp for a very large number of years, including quite a number of high-impact posts - just not with that account. Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then. > And would you be so kind to actually link to the comment you banned me for? This is it, for everyone to see and judge: Nah, that was just the comment I used to get to your profile. I banned you for insulting someone.
  - bun_terminator 2y ago
    > Interesting that you did not choose to voice your opinions using your main accounts on that community then. I'd love to, but reddit and cpp keep banning/suspending accounts - so I can't! Funny how that works isn't it? > Nah, that was just the comment I used to get to your profile. I banned you for insulting someone. That is not true. Here is the message: > Hello, You have been permanently banned from participating in r/cpp because your comment violates this community's rules. You won't be able to post or comment, but you can still view and subscribe to it. With the link being to https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_contributor_expelled_for_the/lyp8b9a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_co...
    - foonathan 2y ago
      > That is not true. I banned you, so I like to think I'm an authority on why you were banned. Here's a step by step timeline of what happened. 1. This comment of yours received a high number of reports and was automatically filtered: https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/comment/lyp3jlb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/comment/lyp3jl... 2. I agreed with the reports and removed your comments. 3. I read the rest of the comments in your thread, and noticed your username repeatedly. I wasn't familar with you, so when I reached https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_contributor_expelled_for_the/lyp8b9a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1gyiwwc/c_standards_co... I clicked on your profile. 4. After noticing your lack of contributions to r/cpp, I decided you are just someone who causes moderation trouble without contributing useful technical insights, so I decided to ban you. That's why the above comment is listed in your ban reason. If you had posted the slur on an account with actual history in r/cpp and no previous removed comments, I would not have banned you. Edit: 5. Reddit administrators have now removed your comment as well.
      - bun_terminator 2y ago
        > Reddit administrators have now removed your comment as well. yes of course they have, they banned my entire account. Because that's what reddit does. See my points above
gatorized 2y ago
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seanhunter 2y ago

I’m not sure complaining on HN about being banned from a subreddit makes much sense.

bun_terminator 2y ago
I think it's important context that this huge issue is being silenced on the largest c++ community
- foonathan 2y ago
  It's not silenced, the post is up for all to see. We have just disabled the ability to post new comments under it.
  - gatorized 2y ago
    [flagged]
- seanhunter 2y ago
  Not sure this _is_ a huge issue. As someone who's not involved it just seems like standard issue interpersonal drama that happens on every committee, board etc and to every tech project from time to time. eg in linux, git exists because of the Larry McEvoy Bitkeeper drama, there was the Eric S Raymond kernel build config drama, there were numerous Reiserfs and devfs dramas, etc etc etc. In the gnu/fsf world we have had the recent guy leaves because he doesn't like the fact that treesitter is the standard c++ mode drama, you had the emacs vs xemacs dramas, numerous "RMS intervenes to prevent people having an intermediate representation in the GCC compiler" dramas, etc etc. The list is incredibly long. People fight and lose political battles. They leave some committee that most people don't care about. Nothing really important is affected in any way. Here as someone who was not involved it seems both sides are a bit unreasonable, and some guy has left the standards committee as a result. Really doesn't seem like you complaining about how reddit mods have responded to your posting there has any relevance here.
  - 2y ago

vasama 2y ago

You were clearly banned for the comment where you used offensive slurs in reference to the author of a previously discussed blog post. I was happy to report the comment.

bun_terminator 2y ago
It was clearly not - as it was not the comment referenced in the ban. That - again - is an objective truth. It word in the other comment was also not a slur, but - surprise surprise - the objective truth, again.
- foonathan 2y ago
  Saying "XXX is an asshole" if XXX is in fact an asshole is also the objective truth, yet warrants removal for insulting someone.
  - bun_terminator 2y ago
    I genuinely don't think the word I used is comparable to asshole
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      It would be better to judge the whole thing if you quoted the word instead of going "the word I used". If you get flagged for quoting here, at least we will learn a valuable lesson.