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Give Ukraine all the tools that are needed to win this war. Putin's regime will collapse, sending a clear message to other dictators. The policy conducted by

Give Ukraine all the tools that are needed to win this war. Putin's regime will collapse, sending a clear message to other dictators. The policy conducted by th West since 2008 war in Georgia has clearly failed - in 2014 with Crimea and in 2022 with the full scale invasion. How long are we going to idle?

huuhee3 2y ago
I agree. Historically Russia has only respected force. Showing them enough force is the best way to encourage them towards serious negotiations.
secondary_op 2y ago
Only warmongering blood thirsty chipmunks can argue for what you are arguing here.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  no worries mate, our new President is a President of Peace, unlike our previous President that won a Nobel Peace Prize. “Defense” budget is about to be slashed by 95% and most military personnel will be honorably discharged. Like few weeks after the inauguration
  - secondary_op 2y ago
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- polotics 2y ago
  You don't seem to understand the Ukrainian perspective here. So pretty straight from one Captain I know: in 1991 the Budapest agreement had Ukraine relinquish its nukes in exchange for security guarantees from both Russia and the US, amongst others. Clearly these guarantees were lies so let's grab some plutonium from the plants we got, and make imprecisely-yielding trucks to save our motherland. This is the escalation we want to avoid, chipmunk Putin and his mafia have a lot more to lose with their decades of graft, I fear cornered Uk generals with enough bullet-in-the-head short-term POW sons and Bucha-burn-after-use daughters to their name may have much less to hesitate for.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    In 1991 the Budapest agreement had Ukraine relinquish its nukes in exchange for security guarantees from both Russia and the US, amongst others. Actually the Budapest Memorandum (from 1994, not 1991) explicitly avoided any mention of security guarantees as such, which has been seen as one of its major shortcomings. It asked that the signatories respect each others' borders, which was in itself significant. But this by itself does not amount to any kind of security guarantee.
sincerecook 2y ago
What tools do you propose to give them?

huuhee3 2y ago

I agree. Historically Russia has only respected force. Showing them enough force is the best way to encourage them towards serious negotiations.

secondary_op 2y ago

Only warmongering blood thirsty chipmunks can argue for what you are arguing here.

bdangubic 2y ago
no worries mate, our new President is a President of Peace, unlike our previous President that won a Nobel Peace Prize. “Defense” budget is about to be slashed by 95% and most military personnel will be honorably discharged. Like few weeks after the inauguration
- secondary_op 2y ago
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polotics 2y ago
You don't seem to understand the Ukrainian perspective here. So pretty straight from one Captain I know: in 1991 the Budapest agreement had Ukraine relinquish its nukes in exchange for security guarantees from both Russia and the US, amongst others. Clearly these guarantees were lies so let's grab some plutonium from the plants we got, and make imprecisely-yielding trucks to save our motherland. This is the escalation we want to avoid, chipmunk Putin and his mafia have a lot more to lose with their decades of graft, I fear cornered Uk generals with enough bullet-in-the-head short-term POW sons and Bucha-burn-after-use daughters to their name may have much less to hesitate for.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  In 1991 the Budapest agreement had Ukraine relinquish its nukes in exchange for security guarantees from both Russia and the US, amongst others. Actually the Budapest Memorandum (from 1994, not 1991) explicitly avoided any mention of security guarantees as such, which has been seen as one of its major shortcomings. It asked that the signatories respect each others' borders, which was in itself significant. But this by itself does not amount to any kind of security guarantee.

sincerecook 2y ago

What tools do you propose to give them?