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Many demands, but probably the most egregious is the insistence that males be incarcerated in women's prisons if they say they are women. Several states now hav
by blessede 2y ago
Many demands, but probably the most egregious is the insistence that males be incarcerated in women's prisons if they say they are women. Several states now have policy that enables this, and female prisoners have been sexually assaulted, raped and even impregnated as a result of this.
More generally, this graphic has an astute depiction of the problem: https://i.ibb.co/ZcMWLvM/no.jpg https://i.ibb.co/ZcMWLvM/no.jpg
- giraffe_lady 2y agoIs sexual assault in prison otherwise a particular concern of yours? I understand it's a massive issue affecting hundreds of thousands of incarcerated people, is activism on that broader issue how you came to be aware of this? Do you have a connection to any prisoner advocacy groups that have policy recommendations on this? I assume the sexual violence outcomes for trans women in mens prisons isn't very wonderful either. I can't relate to the comic. like I said I have not really felt personally affected by trans people at all on any level ever.
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- jl6 2y ago> How many instances of trans athletes in female sports have there been? If it’s a small number, then presumably it’s not worth fighting over and sport can just have Open and Female categories?
- foldr 2y agoThat's a potential option, but a lot of anti-trans folks wouldn't be happy with that either. It also doesn't solve the theoretical problem of fairness, since trans men on testosterone (who presumably compete in the 'open' category in your model?) might have significant physical advantages over cis women in some sports. I don't think there are any glib solutions to the issue of gender in sport. The current moral panic about trans people certainly won't go any way to help with solving it.
- fonfont 2y agoFemale athletes taking testosterone, regardless of if they believe themselves to be men or not, would be excluded from competition for doping.
- foldr 2y agoAnother layer of complexity to consider. Some of those rules may need to change to enable full participation of trans athletes. I do not have a fixed view on what the rules should be. I'm just saying it's complicated.
- fonfont 2y agoOr maybe those that take performance-enhancing drugs will just have to accept that their body modification choices preclude participation in competitive sport. There are trans-identifying female athletes who don't take testosterone and compete in women's sports, recent example in the last Olympics being Hergie Bacyadan in women's boxing. There's no exclusion on participation as long as the same rules as for everyone else are followed.
- giraffe_lady 2y agoSo what do the prisoner advocate orgs you work with have as a statement or policy rec? The one I volunteer with has decided that it's not effective to have a specific policy about such a small group until meaningful measures addressing sexual violence in prisons generally (which again affects hundreds of thousands or millions per year) have been attempted. There are a lot of other orgs though and especially if you're in an area with a lot of trans people and it's a more active issue, I'm interested in what other groups have had to come up with. Like I said if the goal is preventing sexual violence I can't imagine that moving trans women into the mens prison is going to be effective either.
- mrguyorama 2y ago"This graphic (an image macro) has an astute depiction" The actual graphic: "Lesbians must have sex with me!" Get the fuck out of here. This is nonsense.