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San Francisco. I do walk and take transit all the time, but I'm a man. My wife has been chased by mentally ill people bin broad daylight. The risk to me is low,
by minwcnt5 2y ago
San Francisco. I do walk and take transit all the time, but I'm a man. My wife has been chased by mentally ill people bin broad daylight. The risk to me is low, but I still make sure I'm aware of my surroundings.
I don't think this is unique to SF. Even in very safe cities there's surely a higher chance of being mugged walking down a dark street than riding in a 5000 lbs vehicle with tinted windows.
- yowzadave 2y ago> there's surely a higher chance of being mugged walking down a dark street than riding in a 5000 lbs vehicle with tinted windows Please account for the danger of being struck by other people riding in 5000 lb vehicles with tinted windows!
- xnx 2y agoMuch better to be inside of a protective steel cage if there's a chance of getting hit by a 5000 lb vehicle.
- consteval 2y agoI think in the long-run robotaxis are crime heaven. It's so easy to mug people in a robotaxi, especially when they're used like autonomous busses. Public transit is largely safe because you're in public. As soon as you put people, strangers, in a private little box with no accountability all bets are off. I think they seem good now because you're not riding with randos. Although, randos can still trivially stop the car. But this model is unsustainable, eventually you will be riding with randos.
- krashidov 2y agoAll of over the world there are subway cars where there are randos in the subway car with no security guard or driver. Essentially an autonomous "bus" scenario. Basically the exact same scenario you're describing. But it's not that dangerous
- consteval 2y agoThose work because there's more people. It's hard to coordinate, say, 20 people to rob you (one guy). If you ride the subway at night, with almost nobody on it, you get the same effect.
- krashidov 2y agoSo let me get this straight. Once there are lots of people it's more dangerous, but once there are no people it's simultaneously more dangerous? I'm not following the logic here
- s1artibartfast 2y agoThey are saying there is safety in crowds. >It's hard to coordinate, say, 20 people to rob you (one guy).
- krashidov 2y ago> But this model is unsustainable, eventually you will be riding with randos. It's unsafe when there's lots of people, it's unsafe when there's no people. Basically they're saying it's unsafe no matter what, which just isn't true. Subway systems are an everyday part of life in many cities.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI think they are saying you are safe with a crowd, and safe with no people. They are also claiming that Waymo will have compulsory ride sharing for some reason, and therefore wont be safe (I dont agree with this part) The situation you want to avoid on a train or car is being trapped in a shared space with only a crazy person.
- krashidov 2y agoI see, but that's a very contrived situation. I think in that situation you just tell the Waymo to pull over and get out. The world is not a utopia. There will always be some sort of risk to everything we do
- simonw 2y agoI imagine "eventually you will be riding with randos" is more likely to work like Uber and Lyft right now, where you can get a discount if you accept a "shared" ride or pay full price for a car that's just you. It might also be that Waymo and co have decided that the additional risk involved in putting strangers in a car together without a driver to keep an eye on them isn't worth taking on.
- consteval 2y agoIMO Uber and Lyft are already unsustainable, and our current transportation infrastructure has been falling rapidly behind for a couple decades. I can't foresee a future where mass transportation is achievable with ANY single person vehicles, including robotaxis.