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Why is it blocked worldwide? Should the page be geofenced instead?
by java-man 2y ago
Why is it blocked worldwide? Should the page be geofenced instead?
- gigel82 2y agoI agree, this makes no sense. Can the "Russian High Court" block access to all pages mentioning the invasion of Ukraine and Wikipedia will just comply worldwide?
- big-green-man 2y agoSovereignty isn't fungible. India's ability to coerce worldwide is significantly higher than Russia's right now.
- ivanmontillam 2y agoThat's need to end.
- okasaki 2y agoBut when the US government orders a Taiwanese company to stop selling chips to a Chinese company that's just fine right?
- chx 2y agoThey don't quite do that. You will notice they only order US companies to do so. ASML, however, abides by U.S. export control regulations because that was a requirement for the approval of the acquisition of SVG. Everything flows from there.
- big-green-man 2y agoIt can't end. Each sovereign entity is unique, and they interact in an anarchy. There's no way to get kings to treat Moldova the way they treat the united States.
- 0x457 2y agoWell, yes, they can. Just because some court ruling tells you to do something doesn't magically makes you do it. You have a choice to ignore that rulling and (maybe) face consequences: - fine(s) - arrest(s) - asset confiscation If WMF has no physical presence in Russia - there is no way to enforce this ruling and can be "ignored".
- jprete 2y agoIf the court order specifies that it be taken down worldwide, and the court order isn't definitely illegal according to Indian law, and the Wikimedia Foundation has operations in India that they want to preserve, they may not have a choice.
- mouse_ 2y agoI get that pulling out of India would be an incredibly difficult move to even consider. But abandoning all principles should be as well.
- okasaki 2y agoWhy is following other countries' laws viewed as "abandoning all principles"? A few days ago Linux removed all Russian maintainers to follow US laws. Has the Linux Foundation abandoned all principles? Should they have fought the US government?
- stoperaticless 2y agoUS laws is not “other countries” laws. Linus lives in US. … and Finland is on the same side as US anyway, might have similar views. Btw. Did Linux ban all Russian speaking people or Russian citizen or people with Russian IP addresses?
- dekhn 2y agoThe intent was to remove people of any nationality who work for Russian companies from being kernel maintainers. The way they rolled that out didn't match their intent, though.
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- alwayslikethis 2y agoIn some sense, they did. The spirit of free software is inherently pro-freedom and against any external actors being able to pressure your entity into submission. This includes any and all legal threats or orders. Look at the history of PGP for an instance of fighting the US government to defend a greater principle. In practice you can't fight everyone all at once. On the net it may be better to compromise on some to defend others you cherish more.
- tastyfreeze 2y agoSimilar to the enigma of how a court case in India blocks sci-hub from adding new papers for other countries?
- nimish 2y agoThat's on sci-hub actually, Elbakyan seems to think that an Indian court ruling is something that matters so much that she crippled sci-hub for it. She could turn it back on whenever she wants. contra mundum court orders aren't new however, the Brits like to issue them with varying levels of success.
- anigbrowl 2y agoProbably because Wikipedia is a party to the case rather than a disinterested bystander.