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Thats because of the calculation: - Endorse Harris and Trump wins, Trump will seek revenge on Bezos and Amazon (he tried this in the first term) - Endorse Tru

by jp_nc 2y ago

Thats because of the calculation: - Endorse Harris and Trump wins, Trump will seek revenge on Bezos and Amazon (he tried this in the first term) - Endorse Trump and Harris wins, Harris will not act outside the bounds of a normal government official This is capitulation to the perceived threats of a Trump presidency and is very bad.

throwaway918299 2y ago
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- staplers 2y ago
  they go after him Would love to hear what horrible consequences you think Elon is facing..
  - rKarpinski 2y ago
    They retroactively invalidated several years of compensation packages...
    - frugalmail 2y ago
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    - mikeyouse 2y ago
      "They" of course being the Delaware Chancellory Court in this situation... man people are clueless about how things work.
      - rKarpinski 2y ago
        "Delaware Chancellory Court" of course being a political appointee in the home state of the powerful politician whom they had an adversarial relationship with, in this situation... but you know how these things work
        mikeyouse 2y ago
        It’s always telling when people resort to unclear conspiracy theories instead of disputing the actual evidence that lead the court to their decision.
        rKarpinski 2y ago
        It's telling when people resort to ad hominem. The government is in the process of confiscating tens of billions of dollars from him - if thats not a real consequence I don't know what is. Wether or not that ruling only happened because of his political position is a different matter, it's not like the judge mentioned it was because of his political posts on social media - like other officials have [1]. [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-11/la-me-spacex-coastal-commission https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-11/la-me-sp...
        mikeyouse 2y ago
        The government isn't confiscating anything.. they merely ruled that the independent board of directors who authorized the richest pay deal in the history of pay deals wasn't truly independent as is necessary to properly represent the shareholders they legally must represent. Every dollar stays with the company.
        rKarpinski 2y ago
        Confiscate: > Take or seize (someone's property) with authority. > To use one's authority to lay claim to and separate a possession from its holder. > to take (something) away from someone especially as punishment or to enforce the law or rules.
        mikeyouse 2y ago
        Tesla had $50 whatever billion worth of stock before his deal, they had it after the deal when Delaware ruled in the shareholders’ favor and they granted it to him again following the subsequent shareholder vote. It’s a real ‘flexible’ use of the word confiscate when the confiscating party never had a dollar of the confiscated funds… I’m sure Elon is annoyed he has to follow basic corporate governance, but that’s kind of the point of governance.
- KaiserPro 2y ago
  I mean he still appears to be making lots of money, and moreover being able to bend the rules without any serious consequences. He has his own broadcast medium to play with and noone has banned it (apart from brazil, but all he had to do was pay some money)
nomdep 2y ago
> Harris will not act outside the bounds of a normal government official California has even blocked SpaceX because they don't like the politics of Musk (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-11/la-me-spacex-coastal-commission https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-11/la-me-sp...) so I would say is risky to expect any of the two (or its followers) not seeking revenge.
- metabagel 2y ago
  The California Coastal Commission is rather (in)famously powerful. This is kind of a special case.
- ywvcbk 2y ago
  Presumably you have to draw a line somewhere, though? There is not liking someone's political views and there is not liking someone's attempts to undermine the whole country by (possibly purposefully) selling it to Russia etc.
  - deleted 2y ago
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frugalmail 2y ago
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- dang 2y ago
  Could you please stop posting flamewar comments and using HN for political battle? Your account has been doing both. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
  - albedoa 2y ago
    In a recent comment, you write that "single purpose accounts are not allowed on HN". This one is fourteen years ongoing, and I know that you have been alerted to it numerous times: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=rayiner https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=rayiner
    - dang 2y ago
      rayiner's account isn't single-purpose.
  - frugalmail 2y ago
    Will try, just not sure how my comment is at issue when this posting is specifically political content.
    - dang 2y ago
      HN comments on political content need to follow the site guidelines, just as on any other content.
elihu 2y ago
This sounds like "obeying in advance", a phenomenon that Timothy Snyder wrote about in On Tyranny, 20 lessons from the 20th Century. https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny Helpfully, the relevant quote I was thinking of is directly on the books website: > Do not obey in advance. > Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do. (The quote on the website goes on with several pages of examples.)

by jp_nc 2y ago

throwaway918299 2y ago

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staplers 2y ago
they go after him Would love to hear what horrible consequences you think Elon is facing..
- rKarpinski 2y ago
  They retroactively invalidated several years of compensation packages...
  - frugalmail 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - mikeyouse 2y ago
    "They" of course being the Delaware Chancellory Court in this situation... man people are clueless about how things work.
    - rKarpinski 2y ago
      "Delaware Chancellory Court" of course being a political appointee in the home state of the powerful politician whom they had an adversarial relationship with, in this situation... but you know how these things work
      - mikeyouse 2y ago
        It’s always telling when people resort to unclear conspiracy theories instead of disputing the actual evidence that lead the court to their decision.
        rKarpinski 2y ago
        It's telling when people resort to ad hominem. The government is in the process of confiscating tens of billions of dollars from him - if thats not a real consequence I don't know what is. Wether or not that ruling only happened because of his political position is a different matter, it's not like the judge mentioned it was because of his political posts on social media - like other officials have [1]. [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-11/la-me-spacex-coastal-commission https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-11/la-me-sp...
        mikeyouse 2y ago
        The government isn't confiscating anything.. they merely ruled that the independent board of directors who authorized the richest pay deal in the history of pay deals wasn't truly independent as is necessary to properly represent the shareholders they legally must represent. Every dollar stays with the company.
        rKarpinski 2y ago
        Confiscate: > Take or seize (someone's property) with authority. > To use one's authority to lay claim to and separate a possession from its holder. > to take (something) away from someone especially as punishment or to enforce the law or rules.
        mikeyouse 2y ago
        Tesla had $50 whatever billion worth of stock before his deal, they had it after the deal when Delaware ruled in the shareholders’ favor and they granted it to him again following the subsequent shareholder vote. It’s a real ‘flexible’ use of the word confiscate when the confiscating party never had a dollar of the confiscated funds… I’m sure Elon is annoyed he has to follow basic corporate governance, but that’s kind of the point of governance.
KaiserPro 2y ago
I mean he still appears to be making lots of money, and moreover being able to bend the rules without any serious consequences. He has his own broadcast medium to play with and noone has banned it (apart from brazil, but all he had to do was pay some money)

nomdep 2y ago

> Harris will not act outside the bounds of a normal government official California has even blocked SpaceX because they don't like the politics of Musk (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-11/la-me-spacex-coastal-commission https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-11/la-me-sp...) so I would say is risky to expect any of the two (or its followers) not seeking revenge.

metabagel 2y ago
The California Coastal Commission is rather (in)famously powerful. This is kind of a special case.
ywvcbk 2y ago
Presumably you have to draw a line somewhere, though? There is not liking someone's political views and there is not liking someone's attempts to undermine the whole country by (possibly purposefully) selling it to Russia etc.
- deleted 2y ago
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frugalmail 2y ago

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dang 2y ago
Could you please stop posting flamewar comments and using HN for political battle? Your account has been doing both. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- albedoa 2y ago
  In a recent comment, you write that "single purpose accounts are not allowed on HN". This one is fourteen years ongoing, and I know that you have been alerted to it numerous times: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=rayiner https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=rayiner
  - dang 2y ago
    rayiner's account isn't single-purpose.
- frugalmail 2y ago
  Will try, just not sure how my comment is at issue when this posting is specifically political content.
  - dang 2y ago
    HN comments on political content need to follow the site guidelines, just as on any other content.

elihu 2y ago

This sounds like "obeying in advance", a phenomenon that Timothy Snyder wrote about in On Tyranny, 20 lessons from the 20th Century. https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny https://timothysnyder.org/on-tyranny Helpfully, the relevant quote I was thinking of is directly on the books website: > Do not obey in advance. > Most of the power of authoritarianism is freely given. In times like these, individuals think ahead about what a more repressive government will want, and then offer themselves without being asked. A citizen who adapts in this way is teaching power what it can do. (The quote on the website goes on with several pages of examples.)