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You don't block an entire tram line just because there are pickpockets on board some trams The "solutions" implemented here in Italy are not solutions, but abom
by y0ned4 2y ago
You don't block an entire tram line just because there are pickpockets on board some trams
The "solutions" implemented here in Italy are not solutions, but abominations imho
- masklinn 2y agoNah you fill it up with poison gas because you don’t negotiate with terrorists.
- SSLy 2y agoIf anyone misses the reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis
- stavros 2y agoWhat the fuck
- bitcharmer 2y ago[flagged]
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- lupusreal 2y agoIt was pretty fucked up for the government to not coordinate an antidote with hospitals, but other than that, can anybody really be sure that another approach would have resulted in fewer hostage casualties? The terrorists had the whole place rigged with bombs. Considering the circumstance I think the gas was a pretty good idea with a poor followup.
- Y-bar 2y agoThere is a pretty convincing argument made that a less violent foreign policy would have made the terrorist act significantly less likely to happen in the first place. E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Dagestan_(1999) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Dagestan_(1999) and the following bombing of Chechnya.
- lupusreal 2y agoSure, I buy that. But the guys tasked with responding to that hostage crisis couldn't go back in time and fix Russia's [domestic] policy. They had to deal with the situation they were given.
- Y-bar 2y agoBoth the military "Alpha Group" and "Vympel" were active combatants in both the first and second Chechen wars, they are branches of FSB, which were indeed responsible for the Russian presence in Chechnya since 2001. Point being, the persons in charge of the the gas and raid in the theatre were also the guys in charge of tactics used in Chechnya.
- lupusreal 2y agoThat may be the case, but nevertheless when they were dealt with the hostage crisis, going back in time and correcting the policy decisions which precipitated it was not among their list of options. (And were the commanders on the ground that week actually in decision making positions during the Chechen conflict? 'Following orders' doesn't excuse their participation, but it seems unlikely they personally were ever in a position to stop the conflict.)
- MiguelX413 2y agoIt's less work for sharers of links to remove m. from their URLs than it is for everyone on a desktop to do so.
- stavros 2y ago
- simonh 2y agoOr the apartment bombings debacle, where the GRU and FSB launched false flag bombing attacks against it's own citizens. Several of them were arrested by police planting bombs. At one point a Duma representative denounced 'breaking news' of an attack by 'terrorists' in a specific location 3 days before it actually happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombing...
- SSLy 2y agoThis is widely regarded as putin's move to consolidate power.
- simonh 2y agoJustifying oppression through manufactured foreign threats. Still works just as well as it ever has.
- worstspotgain 2y agoNot to mention generating exodi from Venezuela and Syria just so that your puppet candidates in the US and the EU can rally against the "invasion" of refugees.
- FirmwareBurner 2y agoLetting in a large amount of people to enter a country without the necessary visas, technically is an invasion. Otherwise what's the point of country borders and border enforcement? If strangers could come and go in your house as they please without your permission, that's illegal as well and you'd call the police.
- sorokod 2y ago"Ryazan sugar" is worth a search by itself.
- pessimizer 2y ago
- globular-toast 2y agoThis isn't a good analogy because the people being pickpocketed and the people on the trams are the same people. A better analogy is blocking the tram line because it interferes with some guy's antiquated business model.
- inopinatus 2y agoThat is not an useful analogy, because as far as government is concerned, you just made an argument in favour.
- globular-toast 2y agoWell, yes, but whether the government should be propping up antiquated business models is the question. The government needs to work for the people, not the oligarchs. There might very well be an argument that government should "stop the tram" because it's interfering with another business that is good for the people. But copyright has long been for the oligarchs, not the people.
- Ekaros 2y agoSo police should not close entire co-consignment flea market if a stall is found selling drugs there?
- asah 2y agoCorrect. A single stall is a single stall.
- droopyEyelids 2y agoThis thread is meandering into Russian examples of government malfeasance which is cool but does everyone know about Operation Gladio in Italy itself? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio