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> IBM created PCs as we know them and is currently worth $214Bn, yet nobody cares much about them "Nobody" except the people paying the revenue to support a $2

> IBM created PCs as we know them and is currently worth $214Bn, yet nobody cares much about them "Nobody" except the people paying the revenue to support a $216B valuation. Hello HN bubble, you are all clever and innovative people and I love all of you but you are not everyone. Also, I hate the future where the web is powered by managed solutions . > they are also dramatically easier to launch and operate They are also are easier to get kicked off for no reason that can be appealed to a real human being

namdnay 2y ago
Eh… they’re just a consulting firm. Nobody does really care about them from the perspective of advancing the science. Does anyone bother what IBM or CapGemini or Accenture or Deloitte or whatever think?
- ValentineC 2y ago
  > Eh… they’re just a consulting firm. Nobody does really care about them from the perspective of advancing the science. Are you referring to IBM here?
- glutamate 2y ago
  > Does anyone bother what IBM or CapGemini or Accenture or Deloitte or whatever think? Exactly those companies are literally pumping out "thought leadership" that people and companies with $$$ are lapping up.
dartos 2y ago
> Also, I hate the future where the web is powered by managed solutions . Me too, but it makes launching startups easier and it seems that’s what tech is all about nowadays… maybe it always has been
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  Hah. Only if you're enthralled by what passes for reality in the Bay area. Outside that particular gravity well the rest of the world seems to be getting along just fine with pursuits rooted in providing actual value.
  - dartos 2y ago
    > rest of the world seems to be getting along just fine with pursuits rooted in providing actual value Oh man don’t look too hard into the medical industry, auto industry, game industry, or appliance industry. It really seems like they’re all looking for rent-seeking type opportunities, subscription services, and planned obsolescence. I think Serif (makers of affinity photo) is the only software shops that come to mind that sells a useful product not tied to a subscription. EDIT: oh actually bitwig is too. I think a lot if DAWs don’t require a subscription. I’m sure there are others, but they’re few and far between.
    - forgetfreeman 2y ago
      You aren't wrong there and what's really telling is how software has made aggressive inroads into those markets. Where software goes bullshit is sure to follow.
tsujamin 2y ago
I think the point is who thinks about IBM in the PC manufacturing space circa 2024, notwithstanding their other business lines.
bdcravens 2y ago
IBM exited the PC space almost 20 years ago.
- dtagames 2y ago
  To Lenovo, who is very much still in it.
SeenNotHeard 2y ago
Back in the late 2000s, a viral blog post (which I can't find now) asserted that Microsoft was irrelevant—that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. wiped out MS as a market leader, if not in income, but in reputation. Look at MS today. Not so irrelevant. I do think the original post is right, that WordPress is plateauing and they're scrambling to maintain their hold on a zero-sum market. But, if they can figure out a new direction, they're also in a unique position to lead. Getting there is not going to happen through dot releases and a squeaky new blog template named for the current year. It looks to me like they need some fresh leadership.
- arccy 2y ago
  i mean microsoft do have a pretty terrible reputation except for with the typescript/vscode audience...
- ValentineC 2y ago
  Automattic has been actively diversifying, with acquisitions like Tumblr, Day One, Gravatar, Beeper, Pocket Casts, and many more.
asdfman123 2y ago
The point is that if you're well informed developer building something new, you're not going to use WordPress. Yes, there are people who are stuck on the CMS, and people will get roped into building WP sites due to the sheer momentum. It will be around for a long time. But it's not the future.

namdnay 2y ago

Eh… they’re just a consulting firm. Nobody does really care about them from the perspective of advancing the science. Does anyone bother what IBM or CapGemini or Accenture or Deloitte or whatever think?

ValentineC 2y ago
> Eh… they’re just a consulting firm. Nobody does really care about them from the perspective of advancing the science. Are you referring to IBM here?
glutamate 2y ago
> Does anyone bother what IBM or CapGemini or Accenture or Deloitte or whatever think? Exactly those companies are literally pumping out "thought leadership" that people and companies with $$$ are lapping up.

dartos 2y ago

> Also, I hate the future where the web is powered by managed solutions . Me too, but it makes launching startups easier and it seems that’s what tech is all about nowadays… maybe it always has been

forgetfreeman 2y ago
Hah. Only if you're enthralled by what passes for reality in the Bay area. Outside that particular gravity well the rest of the world seems to be getting along just fine with pursuits rooted in providing actual value.
- dartos 2y ago
  > rest of the world seems to be getting along just fine with pursuits rooted in providing actual value Oh man don’t look too hard into the medical industry, auto industry, game industry, or appliance industry. It really seems like they’re all looking for rent-seeking type opportunities, subscription services, and planned obsolescence. I think Serif (makers of affinity photo) is the only software shops that come to mind that sells a useful product not tied to a subscription. EDIT: oh actually bitwig is too. I think a lot if DAWs don’t require a subscription. I’m sure there are others, but they’re few and far between.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    You aren't wrong there and what's really telling is how software has made aggressive inroads into those markets. Where software goes bullshit is sure to follow.

tsujamin 2y ago

I think the point is who thinks about IBM in the PC manufacturing space circa 2024, notwithstanding their other business lines.

bdcravens 2y ago

IBM exited the PC space almost 20 years ago.

dtagames 2y ago
To Lenovo, who is very much still in it.

SeenNotHeard 2y ago

Back in the late 2000s, a viral blog post (which I can't find now) asserted that Microsoft was irrelevant—that Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc. wiped out MS as a market leader, if not in income, but in reputation. Look at MS today. Not so irrelevant. I do think the original post is right, that WordPress is plateauing and they're scrambling to maintain their hold on a zero-sum market. But, if they can figure out a new direction, they're also in a unique position to lead. Getting there is not going to happen through dot releases and a squeaky new blog template named for the current year. It looks to me like they need some fresh leadership.

arccy 2y ago
i mean microsoft do have a pretty terrible reputation except for with the typescript/vscode audience...
ValentineC 2y ago
Automattic has been actively diversifying, with acquisitions like Tumblr, Day One, Gravatar, Beeper, Pocket Casts, and many more.

asdfman123 2y ago

The point is that if you're well informed developer building something new, you're not going to use WordPress. Yes, there are people who are stuck on the CMS, and people will get roped into building WP sites due to the sheer momentum. It will be around for a long time. But it's not the future.