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This happened at intel and was very noticeable even back in 2010. Indians hires other Indians. At every company I’ve been at if you were not Indian you were not

This happened at intel and was very noticeable even back in 2010. Indians hires other Indians. At every company I’ve been at if you were not Indian you were not invited to the conversation. Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I never felt like they were rude or anything though- just that I was an outsider. Best team I worked with was very diverse and they actively worked to help each other get promoted and protect each other.

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
I worked at a company with a large multi-ethnic workforce. They had an Indian subsidiary but didn't play the H1B game. The rule was English only in the office to avoid exclusion.
hggigg 2y ago
Same experience here. On a positive note I got replaced by a guy in India. Then after a year of them clambering over each other’s corpses for promotion and destroying the org from the inside, I got hired back on contract to unfuck the mess at 4x my previous salaried rate. Nothing against India or Indians but the reason outsourcing fails is no one wants to be an outsourced workforce so they go for promotion first to get a better job. And I don’t blame them.
quadrifoliate 2y ago
> Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I am curious, was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings at Intel? I have often heard these reports, but in a social context. I have never personally observed this in professional settings; but am curious to hear more so I can watch out for it if/when I do encounter it. It's odd because I would struggle to hold a professional conversation in any of the Indian languages that I speak (I have no idea how to say something like "thermal characteristics" or "power dissipation" in them); and would likely keep lapsing into English.
- mytailorisrich 2y ago
  I have many Indian colleagues and they do tend not to speak English among them in the office. There needs to be someone else involved in the conversation for them to stick to English. Another aspect is that I have found that they are quite hierarchical, probably a cultural trait. So how much they stick to English also depends on how senior the "non-Indian(s)" are compared to them. If you are their senior they are very nice.
- drewbitt 2y ago
  > was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings This happened frequently at a WITCH I worked at out of college. The meeting would be in English then have segments change in the middle as certain speakers switched languages. Luckily, I often had a coworker stand up for me to mention to use English although I did miss many conversations.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    > WITCH stands for the Indian tech giants – W- Wipro I- Infosys T- TCS C- Cognizant H- HCL A- Accenture India In case anyone else was wondering about that acronym.
- JohnBrookz 2y ago
  I have no idea what they were talking about. For all I know they could have been talking about soccer.
throwawayha 2y ago
There was an article exposing it wasn't just for / between Indians. Indians were actively discriminating against other Indians if they weren't born into the "highest" caste of hinduism (the few percent only allowed to learn to read and write), or avoiding the "lowest caste" of hinduism (way over 90 percent). This caste system discrimination in tech, is also used to discriminate against other minorities who are not Indian, originating from the Indian subcontinent. Trapped in Silicon Valley's Hidden Caste System https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidden-caste-system/ https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde... Insight: Caste in California: Tech giants confront ancient Indian hierarchy https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/caste-california-tech-giants-confront-ancient-indian-hierarchy-2022-08-15 https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/caste-... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro... More: https://www.google.com/search?q=silicon+valley+caste+system https://www.google.com/search?q=silicon+valley+caste+system
- sandworm101 2y ago
  Canada has been dealing with this more proactively than most counties with Indian diasporas, a process no doubt aided by the by the significant number of indo-canadian politicians familiar with the issue. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-human-rights-commission-caste-discrimination-1.7016754 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-human-rights-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/caste-discrimination-taxi-decision-1.6783267 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/caste-discri... https://www.trtworld.com/americas/toronto-school-board-recognises-hindu-caste-discrimination-in-canada-65990 https://www.trtworld.com/americas/toronto-school-board-recog...
dopylitty 2y ago
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- rcbaF 2y ago
  Nothing? Trump talks a lot. He didn't "drain the swamp" while he was president and he did not release the Kennedy CIA archives (he promised both). He'll get a call from Thiel or Musk that they still need H1Bs, and that will be the end of it. (I still think Trump is the lesser evil, since he is far more competent in foreign policy and the economy will improve. And he does exactly nothing w.r.t the scary sounding election talk.)
  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    > since he is far more competent in foreign policy The guy foreign leaders call the "laughing fool"? > the economy will improve. Trump's plans would cause the economy to shrink by 10% and cause 28% inflation, according to independent analysis. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/26/business/economy/trump-economy-inflation-growth.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/26/business/economy/trump-ec...
    - rtlasacc 2y ago
      The world was far more stable in 2016-2020. It does not matter what someone is called. Just watch what actually happens and overlook all the talk (we might as well explore what Harris is called; I think the attribute is "cackling" and not "laughing"). The NYT is not unbiased when it comes to Trump and none of these plans will be implemented. Again, the economy was good in 2016-2020.
      - bryanlarsen 2y ago
        Judge not by absolute standings but by relative standings. During the Trump presidency our competitor's economies were growing faster than America's: China, Germany, et cetera. America was losing its status as #1. During the Biden presidency every economy but America's took an absolute beating. Britain & Germany went into a deep recession. China's growth flatlined. America was pretty much the only economy to avoid getting curb-stomped and regained its status as the clear #1 economy. Anybody can do well when there's a rising tide raising all boats. It takes a true master to do OK when everybody else is doing poorly. P.S. The NYT has a significant both-sides-ism bias and is the only place you'll find pro-Trump articles outside of the right wing media.
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dartharva 2y ago
If this has really been going on for more than a decade I wonder what your labor regulators are doing. This is a clear-cut issue of bad labor policy.
navigate8310 2y ago
Safe to say that 2010 was the beginning of Intel's downfall

kevin_thibedeau 2y ago

I worked at a company with a large multi-ethnic workforce. They had an Indian subsidiary but didn't play the H1B game. The rule was English only in the office to avoid exclusion.

hggigg 2y ago

Same experience here. On a positive note I got replaced by a guy in India. Then after a year of them clambering over each other’s corpses for promotion and destroying the org from the inside, I got hired back on contract to unfuck the mess at 4x my previous salaried rate. Nothing against India or Indians but the reason outsourcing fails is no one wants to be an outsourced workforce so they go for promotion first to get a better job. And I don’t blame them.

quadrifoliate 2y ago

> Sitting in meetings where you were excluded from 30% of the conversation was wild. I am curious, was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings at Intel? I have often heard these reports, but in a social context. I have never personally observed this in professional settings; but am curious to hear more so I can watch out for it if/when I do encounter it. It's odd because I would struggle to hold a professional conversation in any of the Indian languages that I speak (I have no idea how to say something like "thermal characteristics" or "power dissipation" in them); and would likely keep lapsing into English.

mytailorisrich 2y ago
I have many Indian colleagues and they do tend not to speak English among them in the office. There needs to be someone else involved in the conversation for them to stick to English. Another aspect is that I have found that they are quite hierarchical, probably a cultural trait. So how much they stick to English also depends on how senior the "non-Indian(s)" are compared to them. If you are their senior they are very nice.
drewbitt 2y ago
> was this due to them speaking in a different language in actual professional meetings This happened frequently at a WITCH I worked at out of college. The meeting would be in English then have segments change in the middle as certain speakers switched languages. Luckily, I often had a coworker stand up for me to mention to use English although I did miss many conversations.
- fragmede 2y ago
  > WITCH stands for the Indian tech giants – W- Wipro I- Infosys T- TCS C- Cognizant H- HCL A- Accenture India In case anyone else was wondering about that acronym.
JohnBrookz 2y ago
I have no idea what they were talking about. For all I know they could have been talking about soccer.

throwawayha 2y ago

There was an article exposing it wasn't just for / between Indians. Indians were actively discriminating against other Indians if they weren't born into the "highest" caste of hinduism (the few percent only allowed to learn to read and write), or avoiding the "lowest caste" of hinduism (way over 90 percent). This caste system discrimination in tech, is also used to discriminate against other minorities who are not Indian, originating from the Indian subcontinent. Trapped in Silicon Valley's Hidden Caste System https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidden-caste-system/ https://www.wired.com/story/trapped-in-silicon-valleys-hidde... Insight: Caste in California: Tech giants confront ancient Indian hierarchy https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/caste-california-tech-giants-confront-ancient-indian-hierarchy-2022-08-15 https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/caste-... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-problem-also-best-kept-secret-caste-discrimination-rcna33692 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/big-techs-big-pro... More: https://www.google.com/search?q=silicon+valley+caste+system https://www.google.com/search?q=silicon+valley+caste+system

sandworm101 2y ago
Canada has been dealing with this more proactively than most counties with Indian diasporas, a process no doubt aided by the by the significant number of indo-canadian politicians familiar with the issue. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-human-rights-commission-caste-discrimination-1.7016754 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-human-rights-... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/caste-discrimination-taxi-decision-1.6783267 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/caste-discri... https://www.trtworld.com/americas/toronto-school-board-recognises-hindu-caste-discrimination-in-canada-65990 https://www.trtworld.com/americas/toronto-school-board-recog...

dopylitty 2y ago

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rcbaF 2y ago
Nothing? Trump talks a lot. He didn't "drain the swamp" while he was president and he did not release the Kennedy CIA archives (he promised both). He'll get a call from Thiel or Musk that they still need H1Bs, and that will be the end of it. (I still think Trump is the lesser evil, since he is far more competent in foreign policy and the economy will improve. And he does exactly nothing w.r.t the scary sounding election talk.)
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  > since he is far more competent in foreign policy The guy foreign leaders call the "laughing fool"? > the economy will improve. Trump's plans would cause the economy to shrink by 10% and cause 28% inflation, according to independent analysis. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/26/business/economy/trump-economy-inflation-growth.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/26/business/economy/trump-ec...
  - rtlasacc 2y ago
    The world was far more stable in 2016-2020. It does not matter what someone is called. Just watch what actually happens and overlook all the talk (we might as well explore what Harris is called; I think the attribute is "cackling" and not "laughing"). The NYT is not unbiased when it comes to Trump and none of these plans will be implemented. Again, the economy was good in 2016-2020.
    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      Judge not by absolute standings but by relative standings. During the Trump presidency our competitor's economies were growing faster than America's: China, Germany, et cetera. America was losing its status as #1. During the Biden presidency every economy but America's took an absolute beating. Britain & Germany went into a deep recession. China's growth flatlined. America was pretty much the only economy to avoid getting curb-stomped and regained its status as the clear #1 economy. Anybody can do well when there's a rising tide raising all boats. It takes a true master to do OK when everybody else is doing poorly. P.S. The NYT has a significant both-sides-ism bias and is the only place you'll find pro-Trump articles outside of the right wing media.

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dartharva 2y ago

If this has really been going on for more than a decade I wonder what your labor regulators are doing. This is a clear-cut issue of bad labor policy.

navigate8310 2y ago

Safe to say that 2010 was the beginning of Intel's downfall