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SunVox: Powerful Modular Synthesizer and DAW

183 points by timkq 2y ago

sillyenski 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunVox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunVox
mastazi 2y ago
Around 2000-ish I was making music with a similar piece of software called Jeskola Buzz which is also a modular[1] tracker[2]. About 5 years ago I remember thinking it would be cool if I could use that type of UI again and it would be great if something like that existed that could run on my tablet. So I searched and I was amazed when I found SunVox. It's a very capable piece of software, highly recommended [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_synthesizer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_synthesizer [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_tracker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_tracker
- puppetmaster 2y ago
  Jeskola Buzz[1] is a very influential tracker. The source code was lost for a while, but I recently learned that development re-started around 2008. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz
- keyle 2y ago
  Buzz was amazing. Although it crashed quite a lot it was a marvel for my music production in 2000.
- Intermernet 2y ago
  I loved Buzz. It's like something from an alternate timeline.
mouse_ 2y ago
man that's so frickin' beautiful
- Carrok 2y ago
  We have vastly different perceptions of beauty.
  - slackfan 2y ago
    It truly is in the eye of the beholder
  - bwanab 2y ago
    It's possible they mean the sound as opposed to the look.
honkfestival 2y ago
For the adventurous, a new beta was released earlier this month: https://warmplace.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7005 https://warmplace.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7005
bowsamic 2y ago
I always thought this software was weird. To me modular implies parameter modulation for sound design, but this seems to be designed around sequencing fixed sounds, or am I missing something?
- multjoy 2y ago
  Modular, not modulator.
  - bowsamic 2y ago
    But typically modular synthesis allows you to modulate almost any parameter
    - TeddyDD 2y ago
      https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/manual.php#ctlauto https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/manual.php#ctlauto It seems it's possible
      - JodieBenitez 2y ago
        It's nice to have, but it's not audio-rate modulation.
        deleted 2y ago
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        gldnspud 2y ago
        You can do audio-rate modulation (up to 32768 Hz) of any controller using Sound2Ctl: https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/manual.php#sound2ctl https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/manual.php#sound2ctl
        JodieBenitez 2y ago
        nice !
packetlost 2y ago
I've been using SunVox on and off for like 15 years now. I'm not really musically inclined, but I always come back to toy around for a bit. The creator is the sort of mad genius type, he seems to have made his own programming language and cross-platform rendering toolkit to make it all work and has a number of projects based on it. Because of this, SunVox is available on basically any platform you can think, including both major mobile OSes app stores and Linux for a few dollars ($5, iirc) and is definitely worth it. If you're familiar with a sequencer workflow (other notable projects: LSDJ [^0]), it doesn't seem too "out there", though the built-in synthesizers tend to lean towards a more airey feel. Highly recommend loading up the example projects, lots of people (including the creator) have some samples in there to poke around with. It's really interesting seeing how different people use the tools provided to compose, sometimes taking wildly different approaches to get similar results. TLDR: download it and load up the sample projects, it's really fun [0]: https://www.littlesounddj.com/lsd/index.php https://www.littlesounddj.com/lsd/index.php
- windowliker 2y ago
  A more 'hi-fi' alternative to LSDJ is M8 Tracker: https://www.dirtywave.com https://www.dirtywave.com
  - packetlost 2y ago
    I want one of those so bad, but not musically inclined enough to justify the cost.
    - adw 2y ago
      Polyend Tracker is the other hardware tracker out there. Similar price though.
    - porkloin 2y ago
      It's never too late to get started! Also, if you're keen to try M8 before investing, you can make a "headless" M8 from a $30 teensy board, but you have to use it via a web emulator. If that sounds intimidating in any way, it's really not - there's no enclosure, no soldering, and no real configuration other than just flashing the teensy with a GUI app. https://github.com/DirtyWave/M8Docs/blob/main/docs/M8HeadlessSetup.md https://github.com/DirtyWave/M8Docs/blob/main/docs/M8Headles... I've been using M8 for ~4 years now, it's an amazing and fun way to make music, and I think it gels for a lot of people who aren't traditionally trained in music.
sneak 2y ago
For the iOS version: $6, no subscription, no tracking? Bought it before even looking at all the screenshots, if for no other reason than supporting developers like this.
ashdnazg 2y ago
I used it in a few game jams and can thoroughly recommend it. The interface might be intimidating at first, but with two wave generators and a couple of patterns you can already conjure a passable background track. A bit more complexity and it can sound pretty good.
atorodius 2y ago
Wow can't believe this ran on a Palm. I wish I had known this back in ~2005
gldnspud 2y ago
Ah, SunVox. It's like an instrument that Alexander Zolotov (AKA NightRadio) made for his own (excellent) music, and has generously shared with the world, creating a virtuous cycle of refinement in both his music and the instrument. I can't say enough nice things about SunVox. When I first saw it I was looking for trackers, and didn't spend much time with it. The second time I was looking for modular synthesizer apps, and that's when I fell in love. SunVox was my "gateway drug" to deeper learning about audio synthesis and processing techniques. You can create entire compositions and useful effects processors with SunVox using only the modular synthesis parts of it. It's very tracker-oriented, and you can do lots of tracker things with it, but don't be fooled into thinking it's a tracker. It HAS a tracker, and that is a strong part of its history and common usage, but it is much more than that. The modular interface is very approachable and powerful once you get accustomed to some of the fundamentals. "MetaModules" are one of its secret weapons. They let you package an entire SunVox project into a module, and expose an interface of up to 96 controllers, along with audio and note I/O. They can be arbitrarily nested… MetaModules all the way down. Besides sharing full compositions, MetaModules are one of the primary ways people share their creativity in the SunVox community. One prolific producer just released a collection of 236 modules built over the last four years. [1] Heck, it's even Turing-complete. Someone implemented a CPU using SunVox! [2] SunVox has a library version that lets you embed the audio engine into your own app [3] and there's even a WASM version. It's particularly well-suited for games, because you can control up to 16 independent SunVox instances at a time (to separate music and SFX for example) and it will mix them together. During my own explorations of SunVox I reverse-engineered and documented the file format [4] and wrote a library called "Radiant Voices" [5] for Python and TypeScript that lets you read and write SunVox files. If you read/write to specific filesystem locations, you can effectively hook into the SunVox clipboard, making it possible to write auxiliary apps that smoothly integrate with SunVox. One of my favorite experiments combining those techniques was to create a "MetaModule Construction Kit", which lets you use Python to create and manipulate MetaModules parametrically, experiment with them using MIDI and an alternative UI, then copy them over to SunVox itself once you are happy with the resulting MetaModule. [6] (Sadly, I don't find myself having enough time as of late to keep those side projects up-to-date with the latest versions of SunVox. YMMV if you decide to explore them. Contact me if you want to chat about them at all, especially if anyone's interested in collaborating to help bring them back in sync with the latest version of SunVox.) I could go on and on singing praises about this software (and other apps created by the same author), but I'll spare both the reader and myself… for now. :-) [1] https://vekonvekon.itch.io/acheney-modules https://vekonvekon.itch.io/acheney-modules [2] https://logickin.net/logicprocessing/the-most-ambitious-project-in-sunvox-voxcom-1610/ https://logickin.net/logicprocessing/the-most-ambitious-proj... [3] https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/sunvox_lib.php https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/sunvox_lib.php [4] https://radiant-voices.readthedocs.io/en/1.0.0-dev/sunvox-file-format.html https://radiant-voices.readthedocs.io/en/1.0.0-dev/sunvox-fi... [5] https://github.com/metrasynth/radiant-voices/tree/sunvox-2.0-file-format https://github.com/metrasynth/radiant-voices/tree/sunvox-2.0... [6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckgn4xGt8bc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckgn4xGt8bc
ofalkaed 2y ago
One of the very few softsynths that has good interface for touchscreens, think it is the only one I have found that I actually enjoy using. Not a big fan of its sound, just not what I am after, but I don't mind it and it works great as a portable scratchpad.
Rochus 2y ago
This is a great sounding synthesizer; but closed-source as it seems; the compiled shared libraries can be downloaded and I found an old version of the source code here: https://github.com/bohwaz/sunvox https://github.com/bohwaz/sunvox.
- gldnspud 2y ago
  The audio/synth engine source is MIT licensed as part of pixilang: https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/pixilang/ https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/pixilang/
  - Rochus 2y ago
    Great, thanks for the hint; though the included lib_sunvox source code looks very different from the one I found on github (which is much older).
pixelpoet 2y ago
So much love and respect for SunVox, watch this unbelievably beautiful example song with crazy surprise about halfway through: https://youtu.be/AHFSrxlouh8 https://youtu.be/AHFSrxlouh8
qwertox 2y ago
Immediately reminded me of Jeskola Buzz [0]. While most screenshots don't show it, it also had a tracker included [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz [1] https://youtu.be/gLwWMfJLXcM?t=454 https://youtu.be/gLwWMfJLXcM?t=454
- deleted 2y ago
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asimovfan 2y ago
Best example of a work done with this software imho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eLs7i9CsAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eLs7i9CsAo
_spduchamp 2y ago
I used his PhonoPaper software to do this... https://youtu.be/HT0HH_fc4ZU https://youtu.be/HT0HH_fc4ZU
nextcaller 2y ago
I was impressed by how fast it launched when I tried it.
th0ma5 2y ago
Check out https://www.bespokesynth.com/ https://www.bespokesynth.com/ as well and it is completely open source
eggy1 2y ago
I remember using this on a pocket CHIP way back in the day. It was fun if very confusing to a much younger me, glad to see its still going and others like it as well!

183 points by timkq 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunVox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunVox

Around 2000-ish I was making music with a similar piece of software called Jeskola Buzz which is also a modular[1] tracker[2]. About 5 years ago I remember thinking it would be cool if I could use that type of UI again and it would be great if something like that existed that could run on my tablet. So I searched and I was amazed when I found SunVox. It's a very capable piece of software, highly recommended [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_synthesizer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_synthesizer [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_tracker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_tracker

puppetmaster 2y ago
Jeskola Buzz[1] is a very influential tracker. The source code was lost for a while, but I recently learned that development re-started around 2008. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz
keyle 2y ago
Buzz was amazing. Although it crashed quite a lot it was a marvel for my music production in 2000.
Intermernet 2y ago
I loved Buzz. It's like something from an alternate timeline.

mouse_ 2y ago

man that's so frickin' beautiful

Carrok 2y ago
We have vastly different perceptions of beauty.
- slackfan 2y ago
  It truly is in the eye of the beholder
- bwanab 2y ago
  It's possible they mean the sound as opposed to the look.

honkfestival 2y ago

For the adventurous, a new beta was released earlier this month: https://warmplace.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7005 https://warmplace.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7005

bowsamic 2y ago

I always thought this software was weird. To me modular implies parameter modulation for sound design, but this seems to be designed around sequencing fixed sounds, or am I missing something?

multjoy 2y ago
Modular, not modulator.
- bowsamic 2y ago
  But typically modular synthesis allows you to modulate almost any parameter
  - TeddyDD 2y ago
    https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/manual.php#ctlauto https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/manual.php#ctlauto It seems it's possible
    - JodieBenitez 2y ago
      It's nice to have, but it's not audio-rate modulation.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
      - gldnspud 2y ago
        You can do audio-rate modulation (up to 32768 Hz) of any controller using Sound2Ctl: https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/manual.php#sound2ctl https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/manual.php#sound2ctl
        JodieBenitez 2y ago
        nice !

packetlost 2y ago

I've been using SunVox on and off for like 15 years now. I'm not really musically inclined, but I always come back to toy around for a bit. The creator is the sort of mad genius type, he seems to have made his own programming language and cross-platform rendering toolkit to make it all work and has a number of projects based on it. Because of this, SunVox is available on basically any platform you can think, including both major mobile OSes app stores and Linux for a few dollars ($5, iirc) and is definitely worth it. If you're familiar with a sequencer workflow (other notable projects: LSDJ [^0]), it doesn't seem too "out there", though the built-in synthesizers tend to lean towards a more airey feel. Highly recommend loading up the example projects, lots of people (including the creator) have some samples in there to poke around with. It's really interesting seeing how different people use the tools provided to compose, sometimes taking wildly different approaches to get similar results. TLDR: download it and load up the sample projects, it's really fun [0]: https://www.littlesounddj.com/lsd/index.php https://www.littlesounddj.com/lsd/index.php

windowliker 2y ago
A more 'hi-fi' alternative to LSDJ is M8 Tracker: https://www.dirtywave.com https://www.dirtywave.com
- packetlost 2y ago
  I want one of those so bad, but not musically inclined enough to justify the cost.
  - adw 2y ago
    Polyend Tracker is the other hardware tracker out there. Similar price though.
  - porkloin 2y ago
    It's never too late to get started! Also, if you're keen to try M8 before investing, you can make a "headless" M8 from a $30 teensy board, but you have to use it via a web emulator. If that sounds intimidating in any way, it's really not - there's no enclosure, no soldering, and no real configuration other than just flashing the teensy with a GUI app. https://github.com/DirtyWave/M8Docs/blob/main/docs/M8HeadlessSetup.md https://github.com/DirtyWave/M8Docs/blob/main/docs/M8Headles... I've been using M8 for ~4 years now, it's an amazing and fun way to make music, and I think it gels for a lot of people who aren't traditionally trained in music.

sneak 2y ago

For the iOS version: $6, no subscription, no tracking? Bought it before even looking at all the screenshots, if for no other reason than supporting developers like this.

ashdnazg 2y ago

I used it in a few game jams and can thoroughly recommend it. The interface might be intimidating at first, but with two wave generators and a couple of patterns you can already conjure a passable background track. A bit more complexity and it can sound pretty good.

atorodius 2y ago

Wow can't believe this ran on a Palm. I wish I had known this back in ~2005

gldnspud 2y ago

Ah, SunVox. It's like an instrument that Alexander Zolotov (AKA NightRadio) made for his own (excellent) music, and has generously shared with the world, creating a virtuous cycle of refinement in both his music and the instrument. I can't say enough nice things about SunVox. When I first saw it I was looking for trackers, and didn't spend much time with it. The second time I was looking for modular synthesizer apps, and that's when I fell in love. SunVox was my "gateway drug" to deeper learning about audio synthesis and processing techniques. You can create entire compositions and useful effects processors with SunVox using only the modular synthesis parts of it. It's very tracker-oriented, and you can do lots of tracker things with it, but don't be fooled into thinking it's a tracker. It HAS a tracker, and that is a strong part of its history and common usage, but it is much more than that. The modular interface is very approachable and powerful once you get accustomed to some of the fundamentals. "MetaModules" are one of its secret weapons. They let you package an entire SunVox project into a module, and expose an interface of up to 96 controllers, along with audio and note I/O. They can be arbitrarily nested… MetaModules all the way down. Besides sharing full compositions, MetaModules are one of the primary ways people share their creativity in the SunVox community. One prolific producer just released a collection of 236 modules built over the last four years. [1] Heck, it's even Turing-complete. Someone implemented a CPU using SunVox! [2] SunVox has a library version that lets you embed the audio engine into your own app [3] and there's even a WASM version. It's particularly well-suited for games, because you can control up to 16 independent SunVox instances at a time (to separate music and SFX for example) and it will mix them together. During my own explorations of SunVox I reverse-engineered and documented the file format [4] and wrote a library called "Radiant Voices" [5] for Python and TypeScript that lets you read and write SunVox files. If you read/write to specific filesystem locations, you can effectively hook into the SunVox clipboard, making it possible to write auxiliary apps that smoothly integrate with SunVox. One of my favorite experiments combining those techniques was to create a "MetaModule Construction Kit", which lets you use Python to create and manipulate MetaModules parametrically, experiment with them using MIDI and an alternative UI, then copy them over to SunVox itself once you are happy with the resulting MetaModule. [6] (Sadly, I don't find myself having enough time as of late to keep those side projects up-to-date with the latest versions of SunVox. YMMV if you decide to explore them. Contact me if you want to chat about them at all, especially if anyone's interested in collaborating to help bring them back in sync with the latest version of SunVox.) I could go on and on singing praises about this software (and other apps created by the same author), but I'll spare both the reader and myself… for now. :-) [1] https://vekonvekon.itch.io/acheney-modules https://vekonvekon.itch.io/acheney-modules [2] https://logickin.net/logicprocessing/the-most-ambitious-project-in-sunvox-voxcom-1610/ https://logickin.net/logicprocessing/the-most-ambitious-proj... [3] https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/sunvox_lib.php https://warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/sunvox_lib.php [4] https://radiant-voices.readthedocs.io/en/1.0.0-dev/sunvox-file-format.html https://radiant-voices.readthedocs.io/en/1.0.0-dev/sunvox-fi... [5] https://github.com/metrasynth/radiant-voices/tree/sunvox-2.0-file-format https://github.com/metrasynth/radiant-voices/tree/sunvox-2.0... [6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckgn4xGt8bc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckgn4xGt8bc

ofalkaed 2y ago

One of the very few softsynths that has good interface for touchscreens, think it is the only one I have found that I actually enjoy using. Not a big fan of its sound, just not what I am after, but I don't mind it and it works great as a portable scratchpad.

Rochus 2y ago

This is a great sounding synthesizer; but closed-source as it seems; the compiled shared libraries can be downloaded and I found an old version of the source code here: https://github.com/bohwaz/sunvox https://github.com/bohwaz/sunvox.

gldnspud 2y ago
The audio/synth engine source is MIT licensed as part of pixilang: https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/pixilang/ https://www.warmplace.ru/soft/pixilang/
- Rochus 2y ago
  Great, thanks for the hint; though the included lib_sunvox source code looks very different from the one I found on github (which is much older).

pixelpoet 2y ago

So much love and respect for SunVox, watch this unbelievably beautiful example song with crazy surprise about halfway through: https://youtu.be/AHFSrxlouh8 https://youtu.be/AHFSrxlouh8

qwertox 2y ago

Immediately reminded me of Jeskola Buzz [0]. While most screenshots don't show it, it also had a tracker included [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeskola_Buzz [1] https://youtu.be/gLwWMfJLXcM?t=454 https://youtu.be/gLwWMfJLXcM?t=454

deleted 2y ago
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asimovfan 2y ago

Best example of a work done with this software imho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eLs7i9CsAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eLs7i9CsAo

_spduchamp 2y ago

I used his PhonoPaper software to do this... https://youtu.be/HT0HH_fc4ZU https://youtu.be/HT0HH_fc4ZU

nextcaller 2y ago

I was impressed by how fast it launched when I tried it.

th0ma5 2y ago

Check out https://www.bespokesynth.com/ https://www.bespokesynth.com/ as well and it is completely open source

eggy1 2y ago

I remember using this on a pocket CHIP way back in the day. It was fun if very confusing to a much younger me, glad to see its still going and others like it as well!