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OpenAI as we knew it is dead
- light_hue_1 2y agoHopefully the DOJ and the various AGs involved are going to be proactive here and stop this. If non profits are allowed to become for profit entities it breaks the entire system. Then every startup should start as a non profit, allow everyone to write off all of their investments, operate with no taxes, and once they are big enough switch to a for profit entity.
- __loam 2y agoAnd claim the copyright abuse is fair use for research purposes.
- ben_w 2y agoThey were publicly demonstrating the exact same thing now called "copyright abuse" with the Davinci model, nobody seemed to care until ChatGPT came out for free without needing paid API access. That doesn't make it legally ok, but it does make their initial (though not subsequent) surprise forgivable. Their own later self, and everyone else copying the same behaviour, not so much.
- robertclaus 2y agoI got the impression that existing investors were potentially getting screwed here too, but if Altman is getting ownership are they getting chunks as well?
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- JaneLovesDotNet 2y agoCan you share a public video that demonstrates this? I've never seen it. Not saying it can't be true.
- alexdunmow 2y agoHere's a Reddit comment! https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3cs78i/whats_the_best_long_con_you_ever_pulled/cszwpgq/?context=1 https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3cs78i/whats_the...
- shreezus 2y agoOne could argue reclaiming a company from a multinational corporate conglomerate back into founder hands is hardly “evil”.
- bmacho 2y agoWow he is very good at taking over companies
- JaneLovesDotNet 2y agoThe tone of that comment does sound a bit "dick-ish", but I can't be totally sure without knowing his history with that CEO. Thanks and I'll keep an eye out for more evidence like this. In videos he seems pretty nice to me, although it could of course be a facade.
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- palata 2y ago> The maker of ChatGPT promised to share its profits with the public. But Sam Altman just sold you out. How can we still believe that companies are not there to sell us out, really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmstuO0Em8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EmstuO0Em8
- mylons 2y agoyou used to believe companies were benevolent?
- redwoolf 2y ago[flagged]
- redwoolf 2y agoAnd the downvotes to prove my point
- mylons 2y agoi’d put this on polymarket if i could. i bet i’m net positive my dude
- Shawnecy 2y agoDownvotes? Give it enough time and one of them will be along to flag you. Edit: happened while I was typing my message.
- echoangle 2y agoI don’t think anyone disagrees that companies only do what benefits their bottom line, that’s pretty much the consensus here. You’re probably downvoted because you’re comment comes off as very aggressive/lecturing.
- tim333 2y agoAlso completely wrong. HN has no restrictions on being cynical about companies.
- isoprophlex 2y agoWas it ever truly alive? I guess they released the Whisper weights at one point -- not even the data. Also it seems the 'muh ai safety' doomerism was indeed just a calculated bit to throw off the competition. At least the current situation better reflects the reality. They're in it to make money, externalities be damned.
- Joeri 2y agoMoney always wins. There’s a sort of irresistible momentum that happens when enough money pools together, and no person can resist it. You see it with apple’s customer-hostile app store policies that are a result of the money being too good, and now with OpenAI. I wonder how this problem ever gets solved at the level of society. Enough money pooling together always wins out over public interest.
- idle_zealot 2y agoIsn't that basically what antitrust is supposed to solve?
- kn0where 2y agoAnd it works when leaders aren’t completely bought and paid for.
- keiferski 2y agoAI is pretty much the culmination of technocapital, so frankly the idea that a nonprofit without deep government support would be the leading AI company is a little unrealistic in the first place. Especially considering the heavy capital requirements to even make this stuff functional in the first place. I think you’d need a government organization on the level of Manhattan Project to really compete, but unfortunately there don’t seem to be many Robert Oppenheimers and Vannevar Bushes working in the public sector anymore.
- trilbyglens 2y agoNone of those people were in the public sector until the project was created and drew them in. But I agree, leaving this work up to shit eating PE firms and smarmy VC bros is asking for disaster.
- keiferski 2y agoThat’s a good point, you’d really need a massive government project to be started first in order to draw away the talent. Hopefully that becomes possible without a looming war as impetus…
- seertaak 2y agoFrom my perspective: another global & critical technology/business with an LGBTQIA+ person in charge -- there are worse things that can happen.
- sgu999 2y agoHow is that relevant?
- sashank_1509 2y agoA typical one sided, opinionated view from Vox that has made modern media the wasteland it is. The article seems to be intent on rewriting history. Apparently due to “Microsoft” Sam Altman came back to OpenAI after his ouster. There was also the added fact that the CTO Greg resigned, quickly followed by the leads of GPT-4, quickly followed by an employee petition that most openAI employees signed. Sam has clearly inspired quite a bit of loyalty from his team (or at least from his top lieutenants that inspired loyalty from the entire team). Apparently OpenAI needs to be regulated more to ensure AI benefits everybody. As opposed to now where AI only benefits those that can pay 20$ a month? OpenAI has repeatedly stated their goal is “intelligence too cheap to meter”, which seems fine to me with respect to the ephemeral goal of “AI benefitting society”. If they make some profits along the way (which they apparently are not right now), that’s fine too. Compare this to NVIDIA, which is blatantly overcharging 30,000$+ for a single data center GPU when it could be 5000$, and I wouldn’t say OpenAI is even among the most greedy companies in the space.
- paulddraper 2y agoThe spin is going to create a new orbit.
- czottmann 2y ago> I wouldn’t say OpenAI is even among the most greedy companies in the space. Sure, that's unchecked capitalism for you, but it's not a compelling reason for giving them a pass or looking the other way.
- codeflo 2y agoOther commenters are quick to point out that commercial interests always win, which is somewhat true, but misses an important point: OpenAI wasn’t originally a commercial company. This is basically someone stealing a nonprofit organization — structurally not dissimilar to someone robbing the funds a charity for children with cancer. I don’t get why people shrug, or even celebrate this, instead of demanding jail time.
- atq2119 2y agoMany people like to think they're on the same team as winners, even if those winners couldn't care less or even have contempt for them. Acknowledging the naked truth of power is too depressing for them. See also: Sports, politics.
- tivert 2y agoAlso in this case, in this forum, I think you also have some people who are suffering from a kind of techno-fetishism that desperately wants to see realized one of the technologies they read about in sci-fi, so they're willing to align with anything or they think will do that.
- anal_reactor 2y agoI honestly wasn't aware that OpenAI was registered as non-profit, and I assumed it's a normal company with a misleading name.
- bboygravity 2y agoIf this is legal than isn't this the best way to do a startup from now on?
- littlestymaar 2y agoOpenAI died when they decided to become ClosedAI, after that point anybody who kept believing it was still working on its advertised grandiose goals was fooling themselves.
- andrewinardeer 2y agoMoney over everything.
- jeisc 2y agoAI is a tool which will be weaponized / monetized to its maximum potential against perceived enemies and for the best profits
- bboygravity 2y agoJust like every other technology ever?
- jeisc 2y agoyes
- clauderoux 2y agoSam Altman looks more and more like Lex Luthor in the last Superman franchise... He is not releasing any kind of alien creature on the world, of course... Wait...
- LoKSET 2y agoNah, that's Musk 100%. Sam is still in the small leagues.