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I have a Dodge Ram. Last night I had a 400km drive to do after a very long day. I wasn't exhausted, but I certainly felt like I did not want to drive an extende

by jmacd 2y ago

I have a Dodge Ram. Last night I had a 400km drive to do after a very long day. I wasn't exhausted, but I certainly felt like I did not want to drive an extended period of time. I have a Comma 3x in the truck and felt way more confident, alert and comfortable for the entire drive. OpenPilot/Sunnypilot/Frogpilot are not FSD, but they are hands off driving assistance. The 2020 Ram performs incredibly well. The latest driving models are very smooth as well, no ping-ponging and they handle passing and traffic extremely well. A legacy car maker would be smart to acquire Comma if its for sale. They would be extremely close to a viable assisted driving capability with it.

pj_mukh 2y ago
Mind boggling to me that a non-ping pongy lane keeping is not standard in cars. Is it standard in luxury cars? Seems like an obvious thing to add/upsell.
- hasperdi 2y ago
  Non ping-ponging lane following assist is already available in many cars including KIA and Hyundai models. They're very conservative and disengage very easily. I think it's by design to minimise their legal accountability
  - judge2020 2y ago
    Also Honda. In my Accord 2018 it lane kept but didn’t even play a sound when it lost tracking.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    Not just legal accountability, but actual safety. They are designed so that they do not give the user a false impression of the extent of their capabilities.
  - imp0cat 2y ago
    Hyundai actually has two systems, LKA and LFA. LKA just tries to bounce the car back when it detects lane edges, LFA actively keeps the car in the middle of a lane. All Hyundai models in Europe have LKA, some (more expensive) also have LFS.
  - arjvik 2y ago
    I've been incredibly surprised to see that lane assist in my Kia is significantly better than that of most other (legacy non-hi-tech, think nicer hondas and lexus ICE/hybrid) cars I get a chance to drive. I unfortunately don't have radar cruise control on my Kia, though, which would make highway driving even in traffic completely effortless, and this seems to be standard on themore expensive cars. Maybe it's for the better, though, because it does force me to be much more attentive on the road.
    - coolspot 2y ago
      I am addicted to radar cruise + lane assist in my Kia. I use it all the time in traffic.
- residentraspber 2y ago
  My 2019 Audi S5 was excellent at this. It would ping pong at most once then auto-correct itself to be perfectly centered in the lane. It did some weird things like if the car in front of you was driving a bit too far to the left/right of a lane, it would copy them. Other than that it was nearly perfect, though. Never had it take an exit by accident, etc. Their tuning on when to accelerate/brake and make it smooth needed a fair bit of work, but I found that switching the drive mode from Dynamic (Sport) to Comfort changed the eagerness of the system and smoothed things out.
  - mdaniel 2y ago
    > It did some weird things like if the car in front of you was driving a bit too far to the left/right of a lane, it would copy them Wouldn't that conceptually be the right thing for the software to do, copy the human in front of it (unless it has demonstrably better information)? OT1H, "lemmings," but OTOH unless the whole line of cars were all on openpilot my life experience has been that the person in front of me by definition has more visibility than I do since their car is not blocking their view as it is mine I am totally talking out of school, because I'm not in that space and my poor BMW chose to do its own thing[1] so it doesn't work with openpilot[2] -- although they have a dedicated #flexray channel[3] so hope springs eternal 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexRay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexRay 2: https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/issues/44#issuecomment-1007002547 https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/issues/44#issuecomment-... 3: https://discord.com/channels/469524606043160576/533838492443082774 https://discord.com/channels/469524606043160576/533838492443...
    - IanCal 2y ago
      > Wouldn't that conceptually be the right thing for the software to do, copy the human in front of it ( I see people failing to follow the rules for bad reasons far more often than for any good reason. I don't want my car driving off to the side of the lane just because the car in front isn't centred. It should assume the right thing to do is to follow the rules, and hand off to me in cases that are more complicated.
      - 2y ago
MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago
> A legacy car maker would be smart to acquire Comma if its for sale My impression is that the Comma guys were never in this to sell their business
- mdaniel 2y ago
  Also, unless I am misunderstanding the situation, since the code is MIT they don't need to acquire Comma to take advantage of the situation. I'd strongly suspect they all want to roll their own implementation for liability reasons, not strictly technical ones
dham 2y ago
I used Open Pilot for ~4 years. According to connect I have 8,000 miles on Comma 2, 20,000 on Comma 3 and 2,000 on Comma 3x. I recently sold my Rav 4 and went to a Tesla. Open Pilot is actually better in a lot of ways than default Tesla auto pilot, especially because it doesn't do crazy fantom braking on freeway. Open Pilot is also way ahead of pretty much every lane assist / adaptive cruise control systems. Obviously, FSD is way ahead of e2e open pilot with navigation, but since Open Pilot can apply very little torque to the wheel, it can't do anything gnarly. I actually trust Open pilot more at this point but I guess I just need more time with FSD. Some of that is because longitude was Toyota controlled until I used the e2e longitude model more. Even on "chill" mode, FSD will make random quick lane changes to turn only lanes to try to get around traffic. This is 12.5.2. Even so FSD can get me from point A to B with no interventions 98% of the time.
- TSP00N3 2y ago
  There should be an option in FSD to have it not pass on the right and to change what speed difference it will wait to pass for (for example only pass when the car in front is [5] mph slower than what I want to go). These are separate options to look into than chill mode, and could also fall short to Comma, but thought I’d share in case you didn’t know they were there.
grepexdev 2y ago
I see that the Dodge Ram is not listed as a compatible vehicle. Could you explain how you managed to make it work? Edit. I'm dumb. It's listed under "Ram" not "Dodge"

by jmacd 2y ago

pj_mukh 2y ago

Mind boggling to me that a non-ping pongy lane keeping is not standard in cars. Is it standard in luxury cars? Seems like an obvious thing to add/upsell.

hasperdi 2y ago
Non ping-ponging lane following assist is already available in many cars including KIA and Hyundai models. They're very conservative and disengage very easily. I think it's by design to minimise their legal accountability
- judge2020 2y ago
  Also Honda. In my Accord 2018 it lane kept but didn’t even play a sound when it lost tracking.
- kube-system 2y ago
  Not just legal accountability, but actual safety. They are designed so that they do not give the user a false impression of the extent of their capabilities.
- imp0cat 2y ago
  Hyundai actually has two systems, LKA and LFA. LKA just tries to bounce the car back when it detects lane edges, LFA actively keeps the car in the middle of a lane. All Hyundai models in Europe have LKA, some (more expensive) also have LFS.
- arjvik 2y ago
  I've been incredibly surprised to see that lane assist in my Kia is significantly better than that of most other (legacy non-hi-tech, think nicer hondas and lexus ICE/hybrid) cars I get a chance to drive. I unfortunately don't have radar cruise control on my Kia, though, which would make highway driving even in traffic completely effortless, and this seems to be standard on themore expensive cars. Maybe it's for the better, though, because it does force me to be much more attentive on the road.
  - coolspot 2y ago
    I am addicted to radar cruise + lane assist in my Kia. I use it all the time in traffic.
residentraspber 2y ago
My 2019 Audi S5 was excellent at this. It would ping pong at most once then auto-correct itself to be perfectly centered in the lane. It did some weird things like if the car in front of you was driving a bit too far to the left/right of a lane, it would copy them. Other than that it was nearly perfect, though. Never had it take an exit by accident, etc. Their tuning on when to accelerate/brake and make it smooth needed a fair bit of work, but I found that switching the drive mode from Dynamic (Sport) to Comfort changed the eagerness of the system and smoothed things out.
- mdaniel 2y ago
  > It did some weird things like if the car in front of you was driving a bit too far to the left/right of a lane, it would copy them Wouldn't that conceptually be the right thing for the software to do, copy the human in front of it (unless it has demonstrably better information)? OT1H, "lemmings," but OTOH unless the whole line of cars were all on openpilot my life experience has been that the person in front of me by definition has more visibility than I do since their car is not blocking their view as it is mine I am totally talking out of school, because I'm not in that space and my poor BMW chose to do its own thing[1] so it doesn't work with openpilot[2] -- although they have a dedicated #flexray channel[3] so hope springs eternal 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexRay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlexRay 2: https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/issues/44#issuecomment-1007002547 https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/issues/44#issuecomment-... 3: https://discord.com/channels/469524606043160576/533838492443082774 https://discord.com/channels/469524606043160576/533838492443...
  - IanCal 2y ago
    > Wouldn't that conceptually be the right thing for the software to do, copy the human in front of it ( I see people failing to follow the rules for bad reasons far more often than for any good reason. I don't want my car driving off to the side of the lane just because the car in front isn't centred. It should assume the right thing to do is to follow the rules, and hand off to me in cases that are more complicated.
    - 2y ago

MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago

> A legacy car maker would be smart to acquire Comma if its for sale My impression is that the Comma guys were never in this to sell their business

mdaniel 2y ago
Also, unless I am misunderstanding the situation, since the code is MIT they don't need to acquire Comma to take advantage of the situation. I'd strongly suspect they all want to roll their own implementation for liability reasons, not strictly technical ones

dham 2y ago

I used Open Pilot for ~4 years. According to connect I have 8,000 miles on Comma 2, 20,000 on Comma 3 and 2,000 on Comma 3x. I recently sold my Rav 4 and went to a Tesla. Open Pilot is actually better in a lot of ways than default Tesla auto pilot, especially because it doesn't do crazy fantom braking on freeway. Open Pilot is also way ahead of pretty much every lane assist / adaptive cruise control systems. Obviously, FSD is way ahead of e2e open pilot with navigation, but since Open Pilot can apply very little torque to the wheel, it can't do anything gnarly. I actually trust Open pilot more at this point but I guess I just need more time with FSD. Some of that is because longitude was Toyota controlled until I used the e2e longitude model more. Even on "chill" mode, FSD will make random quick lane changes to turn only lanes to try to get around traffic. This is 12.5.2. Even so FSD can get me from point A to B with no interventions 98% of the time.

TSP00N3 2y ago
There should be an option in FSD to have it not pass on the right and to change what speed difference it will wait to pass for (for example only pass when the car in front is [5] mph slower than what I want to go). These are separate options to look into than chill mode, and could also fall short to Comma, but thought I’d share in case you didn’t know they were there.

grepexdev 2y ago

I see that the Dodge Ram is not listed as a compatible vehicle. Could you explain how you managed to make it work? Edit. I'm dumb. It's listed under "Ram" not "Dodge"