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unfortunately, outrage only lasts a few weeks and then the consumer rolls over. I can see a future market for dumb cars.

austin-cheney 2y ago
That depends on the person. I refuse to ever buy a Tesla because it’s filled with smart technology insanity and then they charge a subscription for this punishment they force on you. All I need is a stick shift and radio smart enough to parse and navigate mp3 files. The car doesn’t even have to come with that radio as it’s a trivial aftermarket upgrade.
- azhenley 2y ago
  I’ve owned a Tesla since 2018 and never paid a subscription nor needed one.
- darknavi 2y ago
  My Model 3 and Model Y do not have AM but do have FM. Did they remove that from base models? You can also play MP3 files from a flash drive and navigate. Can't help you with the stick shift though!
junaru 2y ago
There is no future for dumb cars. They will be outlawed just like ICE ones in the coming decades. You will not even be able to manually drive as you will be deemed too much of a hazard for all the autonomous cars.
- hedora 2y ago
  We’re starting to see this. For instance, some cars have absurdly overactive VESS (engine tone) systems. Some are so loud they wake up neighbors. Others don’t shut off at the NHTSA recommended 30kph, and sound like distant ambulances on the freeway. Even if it is legal to disable them, many insurance policies include a carve out that invalidates your coverage if you do so. So, you could lose your house as punishment without ever getting to defend yourself in front of a jury.
sandebert 2y ago
I suppose a "dumb car" should be called "feature car", the same way as old-school mobiles are called "feature phones".
- JohnFen 2y ago
  Feature phones are not old-school mobile phones. They're crippled smartphones. As near as I can tell, nobody actually makes good old, dumb, cellphones anymore.
  - sandebert 2y ago
    I'm not sure that is correct. Granted, there doesn't seem to be a lot of them anymore, but they're not all gone. Here's a list of dumb phones made in 2021-2024 running an "unnamed OS": https://www.prisjakt.nu/c/mobiltelefoner?197=2024%7C2021&438=9392 https://www.prisjakt.nu/c/mobiltelefoner?197=2024%7C2021&438... (sorry, Swedish product comparison site, but the phones should be possible to search for elsewhere on the web) I don't get the impression they are crippled smartphones.

austin-cheney 2y ago

That depends on the person. I refuse to ever buy a Tesla because it’s filled with smart technology insanity and then they charge a subscription for this punishment they force on you. All I need is a stick shift and radio smart enough to parse and navigate mp3 files. The car doesn’t even have to come with that radio as it’s a trivial aftermarket upgrade.

azhenley 2y ago
I’ve owned a Tesla since 2018 and never paid a subscription nor needed one.
darknavi 2y ago
My Model 3 and Model Y do not have AM but do have FM. Did they remove that from base models? You can also play MP3 files from a flash drive and navigate. Can't help you with the stick shift though!

junaru 2y ago

There is no future for dumb cars. They will be outlawed just like ICE ones in the coming decades. You will not even be able to manually drive as you will be deemed too much of a hazard for all the autonomous cars.

hedora 2y ago
We’re starting to see this. For instance, some cars have absurdly overactive VESS (engine tone) systems. Some are so loud they wake up neighbors. Others don’t shut off at the NHTSA recommended 30kph, and sound like distant ambulances on the freeway. Even if it is legal to disable them, many insurance policies include a carve out that invalidates your coverage if you do so. So, you could lose your house as punishment without ever getting to defend yourself in front of a jury.

sandebert 2y ago

I suppose a "dumb car" should be called "feature car", the same way as old-school mobiles are called "feature phones".

JohnFen 2y ago
Feature phones are not old-school mobile phones. They're crippled smartphones. As near as I can tell, nobody actually makes good old, dumb, cellphones anymore.
- sandebert 2y ago
  I'm not sure that is correct. Granted, there doesn't seem to be a lot of them anymore, but they're not all gone. Here's a list of dumb phones made in 2021-2024 running an "unnamed OS": https://www.prisjakt.nu/c/mobiltelefoner?197=2024%7C2021&438=9392 https://www.prisjakt.nu/c/mobiltelefoner?197=2024%7C2021&438... (sorry, Swedish product comparison site, but the phones should be possible to search for elsewhere on the web) I don't get the impression they are crippled smartphones.