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This month in Servo: tabbed browsing, Windows buffs, devtools, and more

288 points by msub2 2y ago

kosolam 2y ago
It’s interesting to see servo keeps living. Thumbs up.
- creesch 2y ago
  Agreed, they still have a long road to travel before they are a true alternative to other browsers and engines. But I think it is good that there are genuine efforts in developing alternative browsers and engines. Ladybird browser is even further away from a mature product, but also an example of a project I am glad to see existing.
  - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
    I’m not sure if Ladybird is further away. Ladybird is seemingly targeting pretty relevant standard pieces and seems very far along in comparison from being a mature project.
    - creesch 2y ago
      No, they are pretty far away as far I understand it. Based on various tests available to see how far along a browser is with specific standards. Also makes sense as Ladybird is a much younger project, even with the hiatus in development with Servo.
      - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
        I’m exclusively referring to my personal experience of playing with these. Ladybird can render (with errors) quite a few sites including Wikipedia where Servo fails catastrophically.
        dwattttt 2y ago
        It feels like Ladybird is going to reach "the last 10% of work takes 90% of the work"
- ktosobcy 2y ago
  > Thumbs up. … and donate :)
gryn 2y ago
I'm surprised by how little funding they're getting. Are those just from 3rd party individuals excluding big orgs? Given how vocal a lot of people are about the web browsers being owned by Google through chrom(ium)e would think more people/companies would be interested in seeing a contender happen faster.
- jraph 2y ago
  There's probably some kind of tragedy of the commons, where nobody thinks they should be the one funding this stuff. I also believe there's the impression that making a brand new browser with an engine written from scratch is not realistic, so why found one? Fortunately Ladybird might have changed things on this front.
  - lexicality 2y ago
    Well, this managed to make me feel enough shame to throw $5 a month at them
    - Sammi 2y ago
      Shame can be a very positive emotion like this :) It is usually a signal that there is something we would like to change.
  - guerrilla 2y ago
    > There's probably some kind of tragedy of the commons I think you mean the free rider problem. In the tragedy of the commons, a shared resources is depleted. In the free rider problem, it's only that users benefit without contributing. In both cases, the resource is non-excludable (it's public or common in a sense) but in the case of the free rider problem, the resource is non-rivalrous, meaning that consumption by one user does not reduce its availability to another. People using Servo but not contributing it does not exhaust any shared resource that we have access to (i.e. Servo itself). The resources used for its production (and any potential resources that could be) are all private, not common or public. I guess nobody's really using it yet though since it's not really usable so it's not really formally the free rider problem yet either. It's just that nobody's really funding it. > where nobody thinks they should be the one funding this stuff. I wonder if it's not more like people just assume someone else is contributing or maybe they don't even know they can or don't believe they can have an impact because they don't know the details. It seems like there could be a lot of reasons and I'm not sure how to find out why they aren't getting what they need. > I also believe there's the impression that making a brand new browser with an engine written from scratch is not realistic, so why found one? Fortunately Ladybird might have changed things on this front. I think there are better ways to think than that. We should do what we can, even if we fail.
demarq 2y ago
Post up some strong numbers people! The HN community could easily pass the 100k mark in a day. There’s a genuinely new browser to be excited about. Let’s get it done
- nitinreddy88 2y ago
  And please do that by showing support and donation. Even if every active HN active user donates 10$, it will be huge
  - pushupentry1219 2y ago
    Where is the dotation page on the site? I couldn't find it on the site's main navigation Edit: https://servo.org/sponsorship/ https://servo.org/sponsorship/ Found it. Sorry, would've been nicer to have it right up the top under "contributing" or something. Edit 2: I think I'm just stupid. It's under "About"
Alifatisk 2y ago
Wasn't Servo abandoned?
- stanac 2y ago
  It was abandoned by Mozilla but Linux Foundation took over according to Wikipedia.
  - Alifatisk 2y ago
    That's great news!
xlmnxp 2y ago
I pulled last changes to see the new tabs and surprised by RTL support because few weeks ago not supported I see there PR merged: https://github.com/servo/servo/pull/33148 https://github.com/servo/servo/pull/33148
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288 points by msub2 2y ago

kosolam 2y ago

It’s interesting to see servo keeps living. Thumbs up.

creesch 2y ago
Agreed, they still have a long road to travel before they are a true alternative to other browsers and engines. But I think it is good that there are genuine efforts in developing alternative browsers and engines. Ladybird browser is even further away from a mature product, but also an example of a project I am glad to see existing.
- the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
  I’m not sure if Ladybird is further away. Ladybird is seemingly targeting pretty relevant standard pieces and seems very far along in comparison from being a mature project.
  - creesch 2y ago
    No, they are pretty far away as far I understand it. Based on various tests available to see how far along a browser is with specific standards. Also makes sense as Ladybird is a much younger project, even with the hiatus in development with Servo.
    - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
      I’m exclusively referring to my personal experience of playing with these. Ladybird can render (with errors) quite a few sites including Wikipedia where Servo fails catastrophically.
      - dwattttt 2y ago
        It feels like Ladybird is going to reach "the last 10% of work takes 90% of the work"
ktosobcy 2y ago
> Thumbs up. … and donate :)

gryn 2y ago

I'm surprised by how little funding they're getting. Are those just from 3rd party individuals excluding big orgs? Given how vocal a lot of people are about the web browsers being owned by Google through chrom(ium)e would think more people/companies would be interested in seeing a contender happen faster.

jraph 2y ago
There's probably some kind of tragedy of the commons, where nobody thinks they should be the one funding this stuff. I also believe there's the impression that making a brand new browser with an engine written from scratch is not realistic, so why found one? Fortunately Ladybird might have changed things on this front.
- lexicality 2y ago
  Well, this managed to make me feel enough shame to throw $5 a month at them
  - Sammi 2y ago
    Shame can be a very positive emotion like this :) It is usually a signal that there is something we would like to change.
- guerrilla 2y ago
  > There's probably some kind of tragedy of the commons I think you mean the free rider problem. In the tragedy of the commons, a shared resources is depleted. In the free rider problem, it's only that users benefit without contributing. In both cases, the resource is non-excludable (it's public or common in a sense) but in the case of the free rider problem, the resource is non-rivalrous, meaning that consumption by one user does not reduce its availability to another. People using Servo but not contributing it does not exhaust any shared resource that we have access to (i.e. Servo itself). The resources used for its production (and any potential resources that could be) are all private, not common or public. I guess nobody's really using it yet though since it's not really usable so it's not really formally the free rider problem yet either. It's just that nobody's really funding it. > where nobody thinks they should be the one funding this stuff. I wonder if it's not more like people just assume someone else is contributing or maybe they don't even know they can or don't believe they can have an impact because they don't know the details. It seems like there could be a lot of reasons and I'm not sure how to find out why they aren't getting what they need. > I also believe there's the impression that making a brand new browser with an engine written from scratch is not realistic, so why found one? Fortunately Ladybird might have changed things on this front. I think there are better ways to think than that. We should do what we can, even if we fail.

demarq 2y ago

Post up some strong numbers people! The HN community could easily pass the 100k mark in a day. There’s a genuinely new browser to be excited about. Let’s get it done

nitinreddy88 2y ago
And please do that by showing support and donation. Even if every active HN active user donates 10$, it will be huge
- pushupentry1219 2y ago
  Where is the dotation page on the site? I couldn't find it on the site's main navigation Edit: https://servo.org/sponsorship/ https://servo.org/sponsorship/ Found it. Sorry, would've been nicer to have it right up the top under "contributing" or something. Edit 2: I think I'm just stupid. It's under "About"

Alifatisk 2y ago

Wasn't Servo abandoned?

stanac 2y ago
It was abandoned by Mozilla but Linux Foundation took over according to Wikipedia.
- Alifatisk 2y ago
  That's great news!

xlmnxp 2y ago

I pulled last changes to see the new tabs and surprised by RTL support because few weeks ago not supported I see there PR merged: https://github.com/servo/servo/pull/33148 https://github.com/servo/servo/pull/33148

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