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Signal built by the US government? Is there any more actual information on this claim?

by medion 2y ago

walterbell 2y ago
Signal's early funding source is public record, https://www.opentech.fund/projects-we-support/supported-projects/signal-open-whisper-systems/ https://www.opentech.fund/projects-we-support/supported-proj... Double Ratchet [1] is also used by WhatsApp (2B+ users) and IETF MLS [2] standard for E2EE group messaging. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Ratchet_Algorithm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Ratchet_Algorithm [2] https://www.ietf.org/blog/mls-secure-and-usable-end-to-end-encryption/ https://www.ietf.org/blog/mls-secure-and-usable-end-to-end-e...
- wildzzz 2y ago
  The US government likes funding encrypted communication channels because it helps destabilize the kinds of dictators that eavesdrop on dissidents.
  - sterlind 2y ago
    and it's useful for tradecraft. I think NSA uses Tor to some degree, for example.
    - bdw5204 2y ago
      I suspect most Tor exit nodes are controlled by the US government and/or its allied governments. It doesn't make much sense for anybody else to run an exit node because your IP gets banned by much of the internet and you get unwanted visits from law enforcement.
      - ChainOfFools 2y ago
        "What kinds of people operate tor exit nodes and why do they do it" is one of those questions that I know I'm not even supposed to admit being curious about, let alone ask, in the company of people who are most capable of accurately answering.
        sirsinsalot 2y ago
        I operate one. The sole aim is to enable the Tor network to exist. I believe in the principle of private communication.
    - duped 2y ago
      Tor was invented within the US military and was sponsored by the state department.
- threeseed 2y ago
  I don't understand. Nothing in this comment is about the US government funding Signal's encryption.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    Click link -> About -> About our funding
- lttlrck 2y ago
  funded != built ?
  - deleted 2y ago
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Signal built by the US government? Is there any more actual information on this claim?

by medion 2y ago

Signal built by the US government? Is there any more actual information on this claim?

Signal's early funding source is public record, https://www.opentech.fund/projects-we-support/supported-projects/signal-open-whisper-systems/ https://www.opentech.fund/projects-we-support/supported-proj... Double Ratchet [1] is also used by WhatsApp (2B+ users) and IETF MLS [2] standard for E2EE group messaging. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Ratchet_Algorithm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Ratchet_Algorithm [2] https://www.ietf.org/blog/mls-secure-and-usable-end-to-end-encryption/ https://www.ietf.org/blog/mls-secure-and-usable-end-to-end-e...

wildzzz 2y ago
The US government likes funding encrypted communication channels because it helps destabilize the kinds of dictators that eavesdrop on dissidents.
- sterlind 2y ago
  and it's useful for tradecraft. I think NSA uses Tor to some degree, for example.
  - bdw5204 2y ago
    I suspect most Tor exit nodes are controlled by the US government and/or its allied governments. It doesn't make much sense for anybody else to run an exit node because your IP gets banned by much of the internet and you get unwanted visits from law enforcement.
    - ChainOfFools 2y ago
      "What kinds of people operate tor exit nodes and why do they do it" is one of those questions that I know I'm not even supposed to admit being curious about, let alone ask, in the company of people who are most capable of accurately answering.
      - sirsinsalot 2y ago
        I operate one. The sole aim is to enable the Tor network to exist. I believe in the principle of private communication.
  - duped 2y ago
    Tor was invented within the US military and was sponsored by the state department.
threeseed 2y ago
I don't understand. Nothing in this comment is about the US government funding Signal's encryption.
- walterbell 2y ago
  Click link -> About -> About our funding
lttlrck 2y ago
funded != built ?
- deleted 2y ago
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