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Why is there only one Apple, anyway? It does not make sense to me. Their niche is luxury consumerism + overbearing paternalism. I don't think that is hard to

Why is there only one Apple, anyway? It does not make sense to me. Their niche is luxury consumerism + overbearing paternalism. I don't think that is hard to replicate. Since BlackBerry gave up on making smartphones, there is no other phone manufacturer trying for the same market. Sure you can buy an Android with cutting-edge tech specs, but you don't get the Apple customer experience and the brand recognition.

epanchin 2y ago
Their niche is trust. You cannot replicate overbearing paternalism as a USP without trust. If Microsoft only allowed installs from their App Store people would switch to Apple en mass.
blfr 2y ago
Samsung and Pixel are trying but Apple has the advantage of the integrated ecosystem. Samsung is supposedly approaching it from the angle of their home devices but I don't know how valuable a seamless integration between my phone and a washing machine is. Also, high-end phones aren't really like luxury goods. I think the margins on a manufactured phone are only ~50%. That may sound like a lot but is pretty close to manufacturing of most not-dead-simple stuff.
- slekker 2y ago
  It's unfortunate that with Samsung phones you can't uninstall the myriad of bloat apps, not to say of their telemetry volume (compared to Apple at least).
  - blfr 2y ago
    I only have a Samsung tablet and I could either disable or uninstall all of their apps. Also, I think you can remove them effectively with `adb`, without root, but haven't tested.
  - dzikimarian 2y ago
    Do you have source of telemetry comparison?
  - whstl 2y ago
    A friend of mine once had a Samsung phone that had advertisement on the Home Screen and was having a hard time removing it. He did reset the phone and all. This was ten fricking years ago, and I never really looked close to know what it really was, but it was enough to put me off the brand forever. Until recently, of course: I thought about getting a TV from them. But I ended up with an "OK" brand dumb TV instead of a Samsung because the Samsung TV on the shop also had an AD in it. Samsung can become another Apple, but it's gonna take some effort.
    - slekker 2y ago
      > Samsung can become another Apple, but it's gonna take some effort. For sure, and I hope they will, further competition is always good. I dont know numbers but I guess the ad revenue must be significant since the "generational leaps" and innovations on the mobile department arent there.
- jorvi 2y ago
  > I think the margins on a manufactured phone are only ~50%. On Android phones, the margins for OEMs are a few % at most, sometimes even in the negative.
gary_0 2y ago
> I don't think that is hard to replicate. Oh, sure. Heck, I can do that for you. I'll just need a few billion dollars to pay for the design, hardware and software engineering, manufacturing and QA, and to pay for the massive amount of marketing required to establish a new luxury brand. Then, in order to beat the network effects of the App Store, I'll need another billion dollars or two in order to bribe the most popular apps to make ports for our new platform, and hire more software engineers to make an API emulation layer... and hire lawyers to defend against Apple claiming the emulation layer violates their IP rights. (There's no guarantee you'll see a return on those billions, btw.) Nope, not hard to replicate at all.

epanchin 2y ago

Their niche is trust. You cannot replicate overbearing paternalism as a USP without trust. If Microsoft only allowed installs from their App Store people would switch to Apple en mass.

blfr 2y ago

Samsung and Pixel are trying but Apple has the advantage of the integrated ecosystem. Samsung is supposedly approaching it from the angle of their home devices but I don't know how valuable a seamless integration between my phone and a washing machine is. Also, high-end phones aren't really like luxury goods. I think the margins on a manufactured phone are only ~50%. That may sound like a lot but is pretty close to manufacturing of most not-dead-simple stuff.

slekker 2y ago
It's unfortunate that with Samsung phones you can't uninstall the myriad of bloat apps, not to say of their telemetry volume (compared to Apple at least).
- blfr 2y ago
  I only have a Samsung tablet and I could either disable or uninstall all of their apps. Also, I think you can remove them effectively with `adb`, without root, but haven't tested.
- dzikimarian 2y ago
  Do you have source of telemetry comparison?
- whstl 2y ago
  A friend of mine once had a Samsung phone that had advertisement on the Home Screen and was having a hard time removing it. He did reset the phone and all. This was ten fricking years ago, and I never really looked close to know what it really was, but it was enough to put me off the brand forever. Until recently, of course: I thought about getting a TV from them. But I ended up with an "OK" brand dumb TV instead of a Samsung because the Samsung TV on the shop also had an AD in it. Samsung can become another Apple, but it's gonna take some effort.
  - slekker 2y ago
    > Samsung can become another Apple, but it's gonna take some effort. For sure, and I hope they will, further competition is always good. I dont know numbers but I guess the ad revenue must be significant since the "generational leaps" and innovations on the mobile department arent there.
jorvi 2y ago
> I think the margins on a manufactured phone are only ~50%. On Android phones, the margins for OEMs are a few % at most, sometimes even in the negative.

gary_0 2y ago

> I don't think that is hard to replicate. Oh, sure. Heck, I can do that for you. I'll just need a few billion dollars to pay for the design, hardware and software engineering, manufacturing and QA, and to pay for the massive amount of marketing required to establish a new luxury brand. Then, in order to beat the network effects of the App Store, I'll need another billion dollars or two in order to bribe the most popular apps to make ports for our new platform, and hire more software engineers to make an API emulation layer... and hire lawyers to defend against Apple claiming the emulation layer violates their IP rights. (There's no guarantee you'll see a return on those billions, btw.) Nope, not hard to replicate at all.