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https://x.com/christogrozev/status/1827450631462048023 https://x.com/christogrozev/status/1827450631462048023 > I wonder what caught up with him first: the und

by vwkd 2y ago

https://x.com/christogrozev/status/1827450631462048023 https://x.com/christogrozev/status/1827450631462048023 > I wonder what caught up with him first: the undisturbed sale of hard drugs vIa telegram, or the undisturbed recruitment of freelancers for GRU's terrorist attacks across Europe. Seems there could be some truth to the accusations.

codedokode 2y ago
Cannot terrorist-freelancers (whatever that means) be recruited with Element, Signal, VK or email on Yandex?
- kelnos 2y ago
  Sure, but if the people who run those services are responsive to law enforcement requests about that behavior, the law is usually satisfied. Telegram's policy is apparently to not moderate anything, and ignore law enforcement requests. I'm not saying Telegram is right or wrong here, just that their behavior may not be legal in places like France.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    What about exchanging paper one time pads? We ought to go after the paper mill for not securing their product by this logic.
- LtWorf 2y ago
  Yes but those are probably backdoored by USA so ok.
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pajeets 2y ago
Telegram and cryptocurrency has single handedly responsible for the recent drug epidemic, sex blackmail rings in South Korea. Cant say I have good things to say about Telegram founders and operators. Its not some innocent "free speech" messenger app, its sinister
- codedokode 2y ago
  You won't believe for what are responsible paper money printed by central banks. As for those South Korea-related stories, the blame is partially on the government. For example, an operator of a website selling illegal videos got only 18 months in that country [1]. [1] https://www.chinadailyhk.com/hk/article/135865 https://www.chinadailyhk.com/hk/article/135865
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  - throwaway290 2y ago
    > You won't believe for what are responsible paper money printed by central banks. 100 times yes. So where are laws and regulations for the money?! Oh wait. They exist :)
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago
  >Telegram and cryptocurrency has single handedly responsible for the recent drug epidemic, I thought Reagan beat that with his war on drugs? Obviously flippant comment, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "Te....chnology has single handedly responsible for the recent drug epidemic,", to which I would answer 'No, it's always been about dollar bills, and what 'recent' drug epidemic?" The US opioid crisis wasn't fuelled by telegram.
  - hkpack 2y ago
    > I thought Reagan beat that with his war on drugs? Reagan in South Korea? Are you reading only half of the words in each sentence?
enbugger 2y ago
>christogrozev Well, if this guy starts damage controlling, this is definitely a CIA operation
- pityJuke 2y ago
  All I’ll say about Grozev is read his Wikipedia. A brilliant journalist. He’s in that video where Navalny calls the guy that poisoned him.
  - sam_lowry_ 2y ago
    He also said some very dumb things. Like the tweet when he said that microwaves got smaller because microelectronics got smaller. People are complex creatures.
kjkjadksj 2y ago
Still a bs argument. 1890s, terrorists takes a mule to the assassination. 1920s, terrorist drives a car to the assassination, and now we deem henry ford liable because of it.
cybersebi 2y ago
My working theory is that by making it difficult for the average user to activate end-to-end encrypted chats, especially compared to industry standards, and by positioning the service as an 'anything goes' platform, Mr. Durov might have created the world's largest Kompromat machine. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat

by vwkd 2y ago

codedokode 2y ago

Cannot terrorist-freelancers (whatever that means) be recruited with Element, Signal, VK or email on Yandex?

kelnos 2y ago
Sure, but if the people who run those services are responsive to law enforcement requests about that behavior, the law is usually satisfied. Telegram's policy is apparently to not moderate anything, and ignore law enforcement requests. I'm not saying Telegram is right or wrong here, just that their behavior may not be legal in places like France.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  What about exchanging paper one time pads? We ought to go after the paper mill for not securing their product by this logic.
LtWorf 2y ago
Yes but those are probably backdoored by USA so ok.

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pajeets 2y ago

Telegram and cryptocurrency has single handedly responsible for the recent drug epidemic, sex blackmail rings in South Korea. Cant say I have good things to say about Telegram founders and operators. Its not some innocent "free speech" messenger app, its sinister

codedokode 2y ago
You won't believe for what are responsible paper money printed by central banks. As for those South Korea-related stories, the blame is partially on the government. For example, an operator of a website selling illegal videos got only 18 months in that country [1]. [1] https://www.chinadailyhk.com/hk/article/135865 https://www.chinadailyhk.com/hk/article/135865
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- throwaway290 2y ago
  > You won't believe for what are responsible paper money printed by central banks. 100 times yes. So where are laws and regulations for the money?! Oh wait. They exist :)
Ylpertnodi 2y ago
>Telegram and cryptocurrency has single handedly responsible for the recent drug epidemic, I thought Reagan beat that with his war on drugs? Obviously flippant comment, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to say "Te....chnology has single handedly responsible for the recent drug epidemic,", to which I would answer 'No, it's always been about dollar bills, and what 'recent' drug epidemic?" The US opioid crisis wasn't fuelled by telegram.
- hkpack 2y ago
  > I thought Reagan beat that with his war on drugs? Reagan in South Korea? Are you reading only half of the words in each sentence?

enbugger 2y ago

>christogrozev Well, if this guy starts damage controlling, this is definitely a CIA operation

pityJuke 2y ago
All I’ll say about Grozev is read his Wikipedia. A brilliant journalist. He’s in that video where Navalny calls the guy that poisoned him.
- sam_lowry_ 2y ago
  He also said some very dumb things. Like the tweet when he said that microwaves got smaller because microelectronics got smaller. People are complex creatures.

kjkjadksj 2y ago

Still a bs argument. 1890s, terrorists takes a mule to the assassination. 1920s, terrorist drives a car to the assassination, and now we deem henry ford liable because of it.

cybersebi 2y ago

My working theory is that by making it difficult for the average user to activate end-to-end encrypted chats, especially compared to industry standards, and by positioning the service as an 'anything goes' platform, Mr. Durov might have created the world's largest Kompromat machine. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kompromat