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my guy you're so confident yet you forget AlphaFold, it designs protein structures that don't exist. Who's to say that a model can't eventually be trained to w

my guy you're so confident yet you forget AlphaFold, it designs protein structures that don't exist. Who's to say that a model can't eventually be trained to work within certain parameters the real word operates in and make new novel ideas and inventions much like a human does in a larger scope.

JBorrow 2y ago
Models like AlphaFold are very different beasts. There's definitely a place for tools that suggest verifiable, specific, products. Overarching models like 'The AI Scientist' that try to do 'end-to-end' science, especially when your end product is a paper, are significantly less useful.
ai4ever 2y ago
Claims of inventing new materials via AI were debunked... https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/deepmind-ai-study-criticism-materials-discovery https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/deepmind-ai-study-c... DeepMind is overselling their AI hand when they dont have to. "whos to say that" - this could be a leading question for any "possibility" in the AI religion. "whos to say that god doesnt exist" etc. questions for which there are no tests, and hence fall outside the realm of science and in the realm of religion.
the__alchemist 2y ago
AlphaFold doesn't solve the protein folding problem. It has practical applications, but IMO we still need to (And can!) build better ab-initio chemistry models that will actually simulate protein folding, or chemical reactions more generally.
gessha 2y ago
I’ll believe it when I see it and/or when I see the research path that goes there. Judge a technology based on what it’s currently capable of and not what it promises to be.
mnky9800n 2y ago
If you go and look at the list of authors on those papers you will see that most of the authors have PhD doing something protein folding related. It's not that some computer scientists figured it out. It's that someone built the infrastructure then gave it to the subject matter experts to use.
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JBorrow 2y ago

Models like AlphaFold are very different beasts. There's definitely a place for tools that suggest verifiable, specific, products. Overarching models like 'The AI Scientist' that try to do 'end-to-end' science, especially when your end product is a paper, are significantly less useful.

ai4ever 2y ago

Claims of inventing new materials via AI were debunked... https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/deepmind-ai-study-criticism-materials-discovery https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/deepmind-ai-study-c... DeepMind is overselling their AI hand when they dont have to. "whos to say that" - this could be a leading question for any "possibility" in the AI religion. "whos to say that god doesnt exist" etc. questions for which there are no tests, and hence fall outside the realm of science and in the realm of religion.

the__alchemist 2y ago

AlphaFold doesn't solve the protein folding problem. It has practical applications, but IMO we still need to (And can!) build better ab-initio chemistry models that will actually simulate protein folding, or chemical reactions more generally.

gessha 2y ago

I’ll believe it when I see it and/or when I see the research path that goes there. Judge a technology based on what it’s currently capable of and not what it promises to be.

mnky9800n 2y ago

If you go and look at the list of authors on those papers you will see that most of the authors have PhD doing something protein folding related. It's not that some computer scientists figured it out. It's that someone built the infrastructure then gave it to the subject matter experts to use.

PROMISE_237 2y ago
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