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Vegas local here, after Oct 2017 no Vegas hotel room on the strip is going 24 hours without hotel staff seeing the inside of a room - every hotel has this polic

Vegas local here, after Oct 2017 no Vegas hotel room on the strip is going 24 hours without hotel staff seeing the inside of a room - every hotel has this policy. I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas, there are more cameras and technology watching you here than anywhere else in the US.

unsupp0rted 2y ago
> I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas I expect privacy in any home where I live, whether it's for a decade or for a day. When the door closes, it's "my personal space" for the duration I paid for. Of course, now Vegas begs to differ.
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- jhbadger 2y ago
  Then you must not rent your home. I've lived in rented apartments my entire adult life and while not daily inspections, everywhere I've lived the management has mandatory inspections every few months to check on fire alarms and other maintenance issues as well as making sure residents aren't violating policy by having more than two pets, trashing the apartment, allowing roaches and other pests to fester, etc. It can be annoying, but if I don't own it, it's not really "my" home.
  - unsupp0rted 2y ago
    Landlords are legally obligated to give 24 hours of notice, if not multiple days of notice, depending on jurisdiction. And they can’t come do inspections day after day.
    - FickleRaptor 2y ago
      These aren’t landlords and notice is typically given as part of the room registration process. That’s not the behavior in question.
  - egypturnash 2y ago
    I’ve been a renter my whole adult life and never had an inspection like that.
    - graemep 2y ago
      I have had one. Just one over several years though. In the UK. The law requires notice.
    - unsupp0rted 2y ago
      Same here. Landlords do inspections when moving out. Maybe they come, with notice, once or twice a year to repair something or show the place to potential buyers.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    That's not even remotely the same thing at all. In the US, a landlord (or their agent) cannot legally enter a tenant's unit without 24 hours notice (or more, depending on local laws), unless there is an emergency. And for the non-emergency visits, the tenant has the option to be present for the visit. That is completely unlike a hotel doing random daily room inspections without your knowledge or presence. Yes, a property you rent is your home. It's not your property, though.
- devinegan 2y ago
  I feel I have privacy in my home here in the Las Vegas suburbs. Surveillance stops at the strip for the most part. But the strip is not “home” for anyone I know and I would never call a hotel * stay at anywhere home. Strangers have access to your room at all times, that is why they provide safes.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    Strangers have access to hotel rooms at all times, but the expectation is that they'll only enter for agreed-upon reasons (like daily housekeeping, if you don't put up the do-not-disturb sign), and emergencies. The safe is there because they acknowledge that quite a few people have access to the room and they can't be 100% sure that all their employees are good people who wouldn't steal, even if they expect them not to. Not because they intend to send randos into your room at all hours of the day. (And it's not clear how many employees have access to override the locks on the in-room safes... I've always thought of those safes as borderline security theater.) I wouldn't call a hotel stay "home" either, but I expect the privacy situation to be only slightly weaker than an apartment rental. Hell, I own a unit in a condo building, and our building insurance requires annual inspections of the sprinklers and fire alarm horns. I know someone who owns a condo in another city, and the building does (required) quarterly spraying for cockroaches, and replacements of the air conditioning filters. None of us feel like we don't own these spaces.
akira2501 2y ago
The obvious question is "would these inspections have stopped Route 91?" I strongly suspect that would have had NO impact. The guest was known to them, was a high roller, known to get comps, and used the service elevator over several days to load the room with weapons hidden in cases. All for the purpose of attacking a large outdoor festival next to the hotel. The other obvious question is, did the people who "cyberattack" them do so from _inside_ their own hotel? Is there some reason to think simple visual room inspections are going to help prevent their networks from being attacked? None of these are logical responses to the stated problems. They're just ways to reduce privacy with a very thin corporate liability excuse tacked onto the end of it. I don't trust that they can people safe, and I don't trust their motivations in deploying these "techniques." I'd rather sleep in the tunnels with the homeless at this point.
- jarsin 2y ago
  I agree with you that it probably would not have stopped it, but Steve Wynn at the time was convinced his staff would have discovered him. He claims they implemented policies in 2015 to enter and inspect all rooms after more than 12 hours of DnD. In other interviews he admits they "profile" everyone that enters their hotel. https://nypost.com/2017/10/08/vegas-shooting-wouldnt-have-happened-at-my-casino-steve-wynn/ https://nypost.com/2017/10/08/vegas-shooting-wouldnt-have-ha...
  - Marsymars 2y ago
    > He claims they implemented policies in 2015 to enter and inspect all rooms after more than 12 hours of DnD. Eh, I guess I'd trip flags there. I typically put up the DnD on checking in at a hotel and leave it up until I check out. It's not a principled stance or anything, I'm just never staying for an amount of time (i.e. more than a week) where I'd need housekeeping services so figure I can save the housekeeping staff some effort and save some water.
    - kelnos 2y ago
      Yeah, same here. I'm happy to save the housekeeping staff some time and effort for something I don't really need, and I just don't like people coming into the room while I'm gone. Including security-theater room inspectors.
thih9 2y ago
Are other hotels near popular places in the US following the same procedure? Or is Vegas at higher risk?
- gs17 2y ago
  It supposedly is a policy for major chains. Hilton in DC did it to me and claimed the whole chain does it.
- eltoxo 2y ago
  I had never in my life heard of this before now and I am no stranger to hotels. I would go straight to the front desk, demand my money back for that day and then never stay with hotel again along with making sure the corporate office got a nice email about their bullshit policy. Maybe over priced Vegas hotels can do this but any hotel I have ever stayed at needs to make the customer happy because the competition is so fierce. Most hotels will go out of their way to make sure you are happy. Not randomly inspect your room like you are a child.
  - devinegan 2y ago
    Maids have access to your room if you stay at a hotel, along with most staff members. Many brands you are familiar with follow the Vegas model of 24 hours no access, someone is gonna see the room.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  Most hotels should be doing it every 2 or 3 days at the latest. Maybe every 7 days if it is a hotel catering to long term guests. Any longer than 7 days for inspecting and cleaning every room is asking for pest infestations, or worse. As a hotel customer, I would not want to stay in one that does not a policy of frequent room inspections.
wkat4242 2y ago
> I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas, there are more cameras and technology watching you here than anywhere else in the US. Yeah I can't imagine ever willingly going there (eg unless my work forces me to). It's a very curious choice for a community with so many privacy activists. The shooting excuse for the inspections is stupid. Anyone could walk in and set up in 10 minutes.
- heyitsstanley 2y ago
  "the shooting excuse" implies that the hotels have some ulterior motive for wanting to enter rooms at least once per 24 hours? what motive would they have that is so important that they insist on spending money on low skill headcount to enter thousands of rooms per day? honestly i'm struggling to sort out what scheme they're running that makes this headcount investment worthwhile.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    > what motive would they have that is so important that they insist on spending money on low skill headcount to enter thousands of rooms per day? 95% of these rooms are being cleaned anyway by low-wage staff. The added 5% is such a small percentage. But the shooting excuse is an excuse because they're not even liable for this. Any idiot can do the same from their private apartment. A mass shooter has no survival expectancy anyway. They can just rent a private flat and do it. Or they can just rent a room, bring their guns in and start shooting during the first day. It doesn't actually solve the problem at all. Only 24/7 video surveillance would do that which is obviously untenable in a hotel. Or strict gun controls which is why this isn't a problem in Europe but the US just can't get that into their heads. The other reason I consider it an excuse is that in this case they are not causing hassle about firearms but about technical devices. Nothing to do with shootings at all. If the motive was purely looking for guns they wouldn't be harrassing unarmed defcon visitors. I don't think they actually care about shootings but that it's dumb security theater to make customers feel safer which they probably see as a monetary benefit. Knowing this now I definitely will refuse to visit Vegas even if my company tries to send me there on a business trip. Although to be fair I kinda have this policy already for the entire US because I'm not willing to give up my devices or my social media accounts to border patrol either.
anon373839 2y ago
This comes as news to me! I’ve stayed in Vegas numerous times since then, and I almost always decline housekeeping. I’ve never had anyone come into the room (to my knowledge, anyway). I wonder how selectively this is enforced.
- gs17 2y ago
  Were you there 24/7? In DC they barged in (well, knocked and then went away when I answered before they could get in) around 4 PM.
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  - smsm42 2y ago
    They don't have physical barriers on the door? Or they intend to break it if you don't answer?
    - wl 2y ago
      The security devices on the door are easily and quickly bypassed with the specialty tools.
      - 15155 2y ago
        There's no way someone is "barging in" with a door chained (with normal-style chain or a bar-style chain) in under 30 seconds, probably a minute or more of finagling the long tool into place to get it undone. While this is happening, the person on the inside can totally thwart the attack by just blocking the tool physically - it's hard enough to do this while you're not being interfered with.
        gs17 2y ago
        Sure, but I imagine the security guy checking in on you doesn't just say everything's okay and leave if you do that.
anal_reactor 2y ago
It is absolutely astonishing to me that Americans call their country "the land of freedom" while at the same time their society keeps on producing more and more bizarre ways to control the citizens, paralleled only by communist regimes. Usually when I try pointing this out they act confused and explain to me that I'm misunderstanding their idea of freedom. "You know what, no adult can be trusted to be left alone in their own room for 24 hours, the official policy is to make regular inspections" turns into "the hotel has freedom to check on their guests, if you don't like it you're free to go to a different hotel (closest one is 10h drive away)"
- devinegan 2y ago
  Check into a hotel room in Idaho and this won't happen. Check in to one of the hotels in the city who makes its money on tourism where the worst shooting in the US occurred and here we are. We are talking about 5 Miles of Las Vegas Blvd.
  - anal_reactor 2y ago
    I'm waiting for the introduction of anal cavity checks. Someone could be smuggling a grenade in there!
    - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
      that’s quite the obsession for the word anal, isn't it?
  - kelnos 2y ago
    The fact that it can happen at all, anywhere, even on just 5 miles of Las Vegas Blvd, is a stark reminder that the US has very little in the way of legally-mandated privacy protections. Mass shootings happen because the US has one of the most-armed citizenry in the developed world, and because we have ridiculously backward views about how easy it should be to put deadly weapons in the hands of anyone who wants one. Daily room inspections are not going to stop any mass shooting where the shooter is aware of the inspections. The 2017 case was egregiously bad, certainly, with the shooter able to bring an insane amount of weaponry up to his room. But he could have been just as deadly with the contents of two or three regular-looking suitcases, something that wouldn't have raised any red flags during daily room inspections. It's security theater, plain and simple.
mlyle 2y ago
https://x.com/d0rkph0enix/status/1822814018643374260 https://x.com/d0rkph0enix/status/1822814018643374260 The protocol for non-DefCon rooms: * Housekeeping services the room. * If housekeeping was unable to service the room, security will come take a look. The protocol for DefCon rooms: * Security comes and takes a look no matter what, and is, from reports, particularly invasive. E.g. asked to look for USB sticks as evidence of "hacking tools": https://x.com/d0rkph0enix/status/1822879409126162779 https://x.com/d0rkph0enix/status/1822879409126162779
- mikerg87 2y ago
  So does this mean that housekeeping is conducting covert surveillance? Searching my personal effects? To whom do they report their findings ?
  - kube-system 2y ago
    As I understand, housekeeping is instructed to look around the room to see if a bunch of guns are lying around. This is a result of the incident that happened there in 2017, where there were two dozen guns in a hotel room, unnoticed, because housekeeping respected the do not disturb sign indefinitely. Housekeeping is neither trained nor spending time to performing a deep search of anyone’s room. But they do know what a pile of guns look like, and they’re instructed to escalate the situation to their superiors if they discover it.
    - sterlind 2y ago
      And yet, housekeeping is directed to look for soldering irons and USB sticks, among other things. God forbid some maniac brings a loaded thumb drive into the premises - some of those high-capacity rounds can hold 1TB or more!
      - kube-system 2y ago
        In this thread above, it was claimed that security was doing that, not housekeeping.
mindslight 2y ago
> I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas Because it's part of the United States, where personal freedoms are supposedly respected. Reading so many comments describing daily room searches at hotels as just the new normal state of affairs makes me sick. I hadn't been aware that the terrorizing mass media had ruined hotels even harder than they ruined air travel.
- devinegan 2y ago
  The Las Vegas Strip and its hotel casinos are famously one of the most surveillance-heavy areas in the world due to the casinos ostensibly looking for casino cheaters but it goes way beyond that now in the name of "safety"
  - mindslight 2y ago
    Way too much American individual freedom has been destroyed by the regressive embrace of corporate freedom, but there are still some strong distinctions between being passively surveilled in a public venue and being actively searched in a private room.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    Sure, they have cameras up in public spaces, on the casino floors, etc. No one is going to argue with their right to place cameras on their private property like that. Hotel rooms are a different matter, though. People should and do expect levels of privacy similar to that of a rented apartment. (Lower levels, but similar.)
    - devinegan 2y ago
      Landlords can access their property with 24 hour notice everywhere I has lived in the US.
- NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
  Yeah...this is nauseating.
singleshot_ 2y ago
I'm fascinated by the juxtaposition of the idea that "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" and the assumption that your bedroom should be searched every 24 hours because of a policy.
kelnos 2y ago
> I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas I expect privacy in any hotel room, regardless of where I am. Certainly not the same level of privacy I'd expect in my own home, whether purchased or rented. But daily security checks? No way, that's unreasonable. If I've put up the "do not disturb" sign, I expect no one to enter my room, at all, except in an emergency, or in a non-emergency where I'm present and have agreed to let someone in. That seems to me... entirely normal and reasonable to expect. > there are more cameras and technology watching you here than anywhere else in the US What does that have to do with it? Just because casinos want to watch what's going on to prevent cheating (or just too-good play), that doesn't mean the hotel-room privacy situation should go to shit. My last few trips to Vegas I stayed in Airbnbs; I guess I will continue doing that for the foreseeable future when I visit.

unsupp0rted 2y ago

> I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas I expect privacy in any home where I live, whether it's for a decade or for a day. When the door closes, it's "my personal space" for the duration I paid for. Of course, now Vegas begs to differ.

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jhbadger 2y ago
Then you must not rent your home. I've lived in rented apartments my entire adult life and while not daily inspections, everywhere I've lived the management has mandatory inspections every few months to check on fire alarms and other maintenance issues as well as making sure residents aren't violating policy by having more than two pets, trashing the apartment, allowing roaches and other pests to fester, etc. It can be annoying, but if I don't own it, it's not really "my" home.
- unsupp0rted 2y ago
  Landlords are legally obligated to give 24 hours of notice, if not multiple days of notice, depending on jurisdiction. And they can’t come do inspections day after day.
  - FickleRaptor 2y ago
    These aren’t landlords and notice is typically given as part of the room registration process. That’s not the behavior in question.
- egypturnash 2y ago
  I’ve been a renter my whole adult life and never had an inspection like that.
  - graemep 2y ago
    I have had one. Just one over several years though. In the UK. The law requires notice.
  - unsupp0rted 2y ago
    Same here. Landlords do inspections when moving out. Maybe they come, with notice, once or twice a year to repair something or show the place to potential buyers.
- kelnos 2y ago
  That's not even remotely the same thing at all. In the US, a landlord (or their agent) cannot legally enter a tenant's unit without 24 hours notice (or more, depending on local laws), unless there is an emergency. And for the non-emergency visits, the tenant has the option to be present for the visit. That is completely unlike a hotel doing random daily room inspections without your knowledge or presence. Yes, a property you rent is your home. It's not your property, though.
devinegan 2y ago
I feel I have privacy in my home here in the Las Vegas suburbs. Surveillance stops at the strip for the most part. But the strip is not “home” for anyone I know and I would never call a hotel * stay at anywhere home. Strangers have access to your room at all times, that is why they provide safes.
- kelnos 2y ago
  Strangers have access to hotel rooms at all times, but the expectation is that they'll only enter for agreed-upon reasons (like daily housekeeping, if you don't put up the do-not-disturb sign), and emergencies. The safe is there because they acknowledge that quite a few people have access to the room and they can't be 100% sure that all their employees are good people who wouldn't steal, even if they expect them not to. Not because they intend to send randos into your room at all hours of the day. (And it's not clear how many employees have access to override the locks on the in-room safes... I've always thought of those safes as borderline security theater.) I wouldn't call a hotel stay "home" either, but I expect the privacy situation to be only slightly weaker than an apartment rental. Hell, I own a unit in a condo building, and our building insurance requires annual inspections of the sprinklers and fire alarm horns. I know someone who owns a condo in another city, and the building does (required) quarterly spraying for cockroaches, and replacements of the air conditioning filters. None of us feel like we don't own these spaces.

akira2501 2y ago

The obvious question is "would these inspections have stopped Route 91?" I strongly suspect that would have had NO impact. The guest was known to them, was a high roller, known to get comps, and used the service elevator over several days to load the room with weapons hidden in cases. All for the purpose of attacking a large outdoor festival next to the hotel. The other obvious question is, did the people who "cyberattack" them do so from _inside_ their own hotel? Is there some reason to think simple visual room inspections are going to help prevent their networks from being attacked? None of these are logical responses to the stated problems. They're just ways to reduce privacy with a very thin corporate liability excuse tacked onto the end of it. I don't trust that they can people safe, and I don't trust their motivations in deploying these "techniques." I'd rather sleep in the tunnels with the homeless at this point.

jarsin 2y ago
I agree with you that it probably would not have stopped it, but Steve Wynn at the time was convinced his staff would have discovered him. He claims they implemented policies in 2015 to enter and inspect all rooms after more than 12 hours of DnD. In other interviews he admits they "profile" everyone that enters their hotel. https://nypost.com/2017/10/08/vegas-shooting-wouldnt-have-happened-at-my-casino-steve-wynn/ https://nypost.com/2017/10/08/vegas-shooting-wouldnt-have-ha...
- Marsymars 2y ago
  > He claims they implemented policies in 2015 to enter and inspect all rooms after more than 12 hours of DnD. Eh, I guess I'd trip flags there. I typically put up the DnD on checking in at a hotel and leave it up until I check out. It's not a principled stance or anything, I'm just never staying for an amount of time (i.e. more than a week) where I'd need housekeeping services so figure I can save the housekeeping staff some effort and save some water.
  - kelnos 2y ago
    Yeah, same here. I'm happy to save the housekeeping staff some time and effort for something I don't really need, and I just don't like people coming into the room while I'm gone. Including security-theater room inspectors.

thih9 2y ago

Are other hotels near popular places in the US following the same procedure? Or is Vegas at higher risk?

gs17 2y ago
It supposedly is a policy for major chains. Hilton in DC did it to me and claimed the whole chain does it.
eltoxo 2y ago
I had never in my life heard of this before now and I am no stranger to hotels. I would go straight to the front desk, demand my money back for that day and then never stay with hotel again along with making sure the corporate office got a nice email about their bullshit policy. Maybe over priced Vegas hotels can do this but any hotel I have ever stayed at needs to make the customer happy because the competition is so fierce. Most hotels will go out of their way to make sure you are happy. Not randomly inspect your room like you are a child.
- devinegan 2y ago
  Maids have access to your room if you stay at a hotel, along with most staff members. Many brands you are familiar with follow the Vegas model of 24 hours no access, someone is gonna see the room.
lotsofpulp 2y ago
Most hotels should be doing it every 2 or 3 days at the latest. Maybe every 7 days if it is a hotel catering to long term guests. Any longer than 7 days for inspecting and cleaning every room is asking for pest infestations, or worse. As a hotel customer, I would not want to stay in one that does not a policy of frequent room inspections.

wkat4242 2y ago

> I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas, there are more cameras and technology watching you here than anywhere else in the US. Yeah I can't imagine ever willingly going there (eg unless my work forces me to). It's a very curious choice for a community with so many privacy activists. The shooting excuse for the inspections is stupid. Anyone could walk in and set up in 10 minutes.

heyitsstanley 2y ago
"the shooting excuse" implies that the hotels have some ulterior motive for wanting to enter rooms at least once per 24 hours? what motive would they have that is so important that they insist on spending money on low skill headcount to enter thousands of rooms per day? honestly i'm struggling to sort out what scheme they're running that makes this headcount investment worthwhile.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  > what motive would they have that is so important that they insist on spending money on low skill headcount to enter thousands of rooms per day? 95% of these rooms are being cleaned anyway by low-wage staff. The added 5% is such a small percentage. But the shooting excuse is an excuse because they're not even liable for this. Any idiot can do the same from their private apartment. A mass shooter has no survival expectancy anyway. They can just rent a private flat and do it. Or they can just rent a room, bring their guns in and start shooting during the first day. It doesn't actually solve the problem at all. Only 24/7 video surveillance would do that which is obviously untenable in a hotel. Or strict gun controls which is why this isn't a problem in Europe but the US just can't get that into their heads. The other reason I consider it an excuse is that in this case they are not causing hassle about firearms but about technical devices. Nothing to do with shootings at all. If the motive was purely looking for guns they wouldn't be harrassing unarmed defcon visitors. I don't think they actually care about shootings but that it's dumb security theater to make customers feel safer which they probably see as a monetary benefit. Knowing this now I definitely will refuse to visit Vegas even if my company tries to send me there on a business trip. Although to be fair I kinda have this policy already for the entire US because I'm not willing to give up my devices or my social media accounts to border patrol either.

anon373839 2y ago

This comes as news to me! I’ve stayed in Vegas numerous times since then, and I almost always decline housekeeping. I’ve never had anyone come into the room (to my knowledge, anyway). I wonder how selectively this is enforced.

gs17 2y ago
Were you there 24/7? In DC they barged in (well, knocked and then went away when I answered before they could get in) around 4 PM.
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- smsm42 2y ago
  They don't have physical barriers on the door? Or they intend to break it if you don't answer?
  - wl 2y ago
    The security devices on the door are easily and quickly bypassed with the specialty tools.
    - 15155 2y ago
      There's no way someone is "barging in" with a door chained (with normal-style chain or a bar-style chain) in under 30 seconds, probably a minute or more of finagling the long tool into place to get it undone. While this is happening, the person on the inside can totally thwart the attack by just blocking the tool physically - it's hard enough to do this while you're not being interfered with.
      - gs17 2y ago
        Sure, but I imagine the security guy checking in on you doesn't just say everything's okay and leave if you do that.

anal_reactor 2y ago

It is absolutely astonishing to me that Americans call their country "the land of freedom" while at the same time their society keeps on producing more and more bizarre ways to control the citizens, paralleled only by communist regimes. Usually when I try pointing this out they act confused and explain to me that I'm misunderstanding their idea of freedom. "You know what, no adult can be trusted to be left alone in their own room for 24 hours, the official policy is to make regular inspections" turns into "the hotel has freedom to check on their guests, if you don't like it you're free to go to a different hotel (closest one is 10h drive away)"

devinegan 2y ago
Check into a hotel room in Idaho and this won't happen. Check in to one of the hotels in the city who makes its money on tourism where the worst shooting in the US occurred and here we are. We are talking about 5 Miles of Las Vegas Blvd.
- anal_reactor 2y ago
  I'm waiting for the introduction of anal cavity checks. Someone could be smuggling a grenade in there!
  - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
    that’s quite the obsession for the word anal, isn't it?
- kelnos 2y ago
  The fact that it can happen at all, anywhere, even on just 5 miles of Las Vegas Blvd, is a stark reminder that the US has very little in the way of legally-mandated privacy protections. Mass shootings happen because the US has one of the most-armed citizenry in the developed world, and because we have ridiculously backward views about how easy it should be to put deadly weapons in the hands of anyone who wants one. Daily room inspections are not going to stop any mass shooting where the shooter is aware of the inspections. The 2017 case was egregiously bad, certainly, with the shooter able to bring an insane amount of weaponry up to his room. But he could have been just as deadly with the contents of two or three regular-looking suitcases, something that wouldn't have raised any red flags during daily room inspections. It's security theater, plain and simple.

mlyle 2y ago

https://x.com/d0rkph0enix/status/1822814018643374260 https://x.com/d0rkph0enix/status/1822814018643374260 The protocol for non-DefCon rooms: * Housekeeping services the room. * If housekeeping was unable to service the room, security will come take a look. The protocol for DefCon rooms: * Security comes and takes a look no matter what, and is, from reports, particularly invasive. E.g. asked to look for USB sticks as evidence of "hacking tools": https://x.com/d0rkph0enix/status/1822879409126162779 https://x.com/d0rkph0enix/status/1822879409126162779

mikerg87 2y ago
So does this mean that housekeeping is conducting covert surveillance? Searching my personal effects? To whom do they report their findings ?
- kube-system 2y ago
  As I understand, housekeeping is instructed to look around the room to see if a bunch of guns are lying around. This is a result of the incident that happened there in 2017, where there were two dozen guns in a hotel room, unnoticed, because housekeeping respected the do not disturb sign indefinitely. Housekeeping is neither trained nor spending time to performing a deep search of anyone’s room. But they do know what a pile of guns look like, and they’re instructed to escalate the situation to their superiors if they discover it.
  - sterlind 2y ago
    And yet, housekeeping is directed to look for soldering irons and USB sticks, among other things. God forbid some maniac brings a loaded thumb drive into the premises - some of those high-capacity rounds can hold 1TB or more!
    - kube-system 2y ago
      In this thread above, it was claimed that security was doing that, not housekeeping.

mindslight 2y ago

> I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas Because it's part of the United States, where personal freedoms are supposedly respected. Reading so many comments describing daily room searches at hotels as just the new normal state of affairs makes me sick. I hadn't been aware that the terrorizing mass media had ruined hotels even harder than they ruined air travel.

devinegan 2y ago
The Las Vegas Strip and its hotel casinos are famously one of the most surveillance-heavy areas in the world due to the casinos ostensibly looking for casino cheaters but it goes way beyond that now in the name of "safety"
- mindslight 2y ago
  Way too much American individual freedom has been destroyed by the regressive embrace of corporate freedom, but there are still some strong distinctions between being passively surveilled in a public venue and being actively searched in a private room.
- kelnos 2y ago
  Sure, they have cameras up in public spaces, on the casino floors, etc. No one is going to argue with their right to place cameras on their private property like that. Hotel rooms are a different matter, though. People should and do expect levels of privacy similar to that of a rented apartment. (Lower levels, but similar.)
  - devinegan 2y ago
    Landlords can access their property with 24 hour notice everywhere I has lived in the US.
NoImmatureAdHom 2y ago
Yeah...this is nauseating.

singleshot_ 2y ago

I'm fascinated by the juxtaposition of the idea that "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" and the assumption that your bedroom should be searched every 24 hours because of a policy.

kelnos 2y ago

> I don’t know why people expect privacy in Vegas I expect privacy in any hotel room, regardless of where I am. Certainly not the same level of privacy I'd expect in my own home, whether purchased or rented. But daily security checks? No way, that's unreasonable. If I've put up the "do not disturb" sign, I expect no one to enter my room, at all, except in an emergency, or in a non-emergency where I'm present and have agreed to let someone in. That seems to me... entirely normal and reasonable to expect. > there are more cameras and technology watching you here than anywhere else in the US What does that have to do with it? Just because casinos want to watch what's going on to prevent cheating (or just too-good play), that doesn't mean the hotel-room privacy situation should go to shit. My last few trips to Vegas I stayed in Airbnbs; I guess I will continue doing that for the foreseeable future when I visit.