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Manjaro Immutable out now for community testing

34 points by rawkode 2y ago

nwienert 2y ago
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revscat 2y ago
What is this.
- christophilus 2y ago
  Manjaro is an Arch Linux-based distro. It has an experimental immutable implementation which is now out for community testing.
  - akkartik 2y ago
    "immutable" is the part I'm not sure I understand. Does it mean you can roll back upgrades to any package, like in Nix?
    - andrewstuart 2y ago
      Immutable means it does not change. Presumably this means that the operating system is effectively read only. This is good for applications where you want things to be very stable.
      - akkartik 2y ago
        Say we find a bug in the operating system. What is the procedure for fixing the bug?
        djbusby 2y ago
        Deploy an updated, but immutable image. Like, Partition1 has v1 and you boot, read only. Then the upgrade image goes in Partition2 and boots readonly. You can still upgrade but every boot of the image is from the same fixed state. And you don't upgrade in-place.
        c0balt 2y ago
        They do "atomic" updates for immutable distributions, effectively treating an "apt update" always as an update for all components. There's some systems for this that usually require a reboot afterward to load the new system version.
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      - ukuina 2y ago
        Is this like a Live CD?
- nextos 2y ago
  Skim through this survey: https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3386/paper9.pdf https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3386/paper9.pdf Basically, most of the system is read-only and updates/rollbacks are atomic. This approach means classical distributions can enjoy some of the advantages of NixOS.
haunter 2y ago
Immutable distro resources https://github.com/castrojo/awesome-immutable https://github.com/castrojo/awesome-immutable Fedora is probably the most mature immutable desktop distro right now, both Silverblue (Gnome) and Kinoite (KDE). I use Kinoite on my Thinkpad x270 and it's been perfect so far. Ubuntu will release its own version, Ubuntu Core Desktop, “soon” (got delayed earlier this year) Another interesting one is Bazzite. Inspired by the Steam Deck OS but runs on Fedora (instead of the Steam Deck's Arch) with all the possible Nvidia, AMD, and other gaming enhancements enabled https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/ https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/
- complaintdept 2y ago
  Don't forget the swaywm variant. https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/sway/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/sway/
  - JoshStrobl 2y ago
    Or Fedora Budgie Atomic: https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/budgie/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/budgie/
tekla 2y ago
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- dang 2y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
woleium 2y ago
Also consider Vanilla https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/31/vanilla_os_friendly_radical/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/31/vanilla_os_friendly_r...
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34 points by rawkode 2y ago

nwienert 2y ago

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revscat 2y ago

What is this.

christophilus 2y ago
Manjaro is an Arch Linux-based distro. It has an experimental immutable implementation which is now out for community testing.
- akkartik 2y ago
  "immutable" is the part I'm not sure I understand. Does it mean you can roll back upgrades to any package, like in Nix?
  - andrewstuart 2y ago
    Immutable means it does not change. Presumably this means that the operating system is effectively read only. This is good for applications where you want things to be very stable.
    - akkartik 2y ago
      Say we find a bug in the operating system. What is the procedure for fixing the bug?
      - djbusby 2y ago
        Deploy an updated, but immutable image. Like, Partition1 has v1 and you boot, read only. Then the upgrade image goes in Partition2 and boots readonly. You can still upgrade but every boot of the image is from the same fixed state. And you don't upgrade in-place.
      - c0balt 2y ago
        They do "atomic" updates for immutable distributions, effectively treating an "apt update" always as an update for all components. There's some systems for this that usually require a reboot afterward to load the new system version.
      - deleted 2y ago
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    - ukuina 2y ago
      Is this like a Live CD?
nextos 2y ago
Skim through this survey: https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3386/paper9.pdf https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3386/paper9.pdf Basically, most of the system is read-only and updates/rollbacks are atomic. This approach means classical distributions can enjoy some of the advantages of NixOS.

haunter 2y ago

Immutable distro resources https://github.com/castrojo/awesome-immutable https://github.com/castrojo/awesome-immutable Fedora is probably the most mature immutable desktop distro right now, both Silverblue (Gnome) and Kinoite (KDE). I use Kinoite on my Thinkpad x270 and it's been perfect so far. Ubuntu will release its own version, Ubuntu Core Desktop, “soon” (got delayed earlier this year) Another interesting one is Bazzite. Inspired by the Steam Deck OS but runs on Fedora (instead of the Steam Deck's Arch) with all the possible Nvidia, AMD, and other gaming enhancements enabled https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/ https://github.com/ublue-os/bazzite/

complaintdept 2y ago
Don't forget the swaywm variant. https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/sway/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/sway/
- JoshStrobl 2y ago
  Or Fedora Budgie Atomic: https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/budgie/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/budgie/

tekla 2y ago

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dang 2y ago
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

woleium 2y ago

Also consider Vanilla https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/31/vanilla_os_friendly_radical/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/31/vanilla_os_friendly_r...

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