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Last time I was looking for a job I read about various interesting government jobs, and then gave up when I finally understood the pay structures.

treesknees 2y ago
The pay will almost always be lower than equivalent private sector tech positions. The difference is in benefits, retirement and pension. A nice balance might be working somewhere as a civilian contractor for those government projects.
- halJordan 2y ago
  With that attitude, the pay will always be lower. Letting the dogma be self-reinforcing isnt the winning strat. The difference isnt even benefits, retirement, and pension. Maybe in the 80/90s or even 00s that was the case, but it's a dead philosophy carried by dead justifications.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
    Citation needed.
  - tossandthrow 2y ago
    The (employment) contract value should be the same, not the pay. There is less inherent risk for public sector jobs than for companies that can go bankrupt. Hence for the contract value to be the same, the pay needs to be a bit lower.
    - autoexecbat 2y ago
      You can get a president who wants to dismantle your whole department
- evilduck 2y ago
  My spouse is a federal civilian employee with a scientific background and a special pay rate accommodation for it. Relative to her industry the pay discrepancy is still about 20% lower. In software roles the top end of the career is roughly the starting pay of junior developers everywhere else. It's not just lower, it's horribly lower. They can absolutely make adjustments if congress needed or wanted to. The DoD as of 2019 does direct officer commissions for cybersecurity roles bringing people in as majors IIRC (it's still not as good pay as civilian cybersecurity roles but the gap is smaller and it has the prestige and lifetime benefits of being an officer).
yimmothathird 2y ago
I was fine for the pay structure on its own. I gave up when I was rejected for not having the hyper specific domain experience they wanted for the pay they were asking for. This was primarily a CRUD job btw and I was qualified by any other standard.
- PyWoody 2y ago
  I tried so hard to get into gov't tech but ultimately gave up. Jumping from the private sector to public seems impossible to me as an outsider. A friend of mine, who is a lawyer and does HR for the federal gov't, spent about a week helping me get my fed resume tightened up and I still got nothing. I don't even care about the pay cut. It just seems like interesting work.
  - lostlogin 2y ago
    If you want the crap pay and crushing bureaucracy, university/academic work is similar.

treesknees 2y ago

The pay will almost always be lower than equivalent private sector tech positions. The difference is in benefits, retirement and pension. A nice balance might be working somewhere as a civilian contractor for those government projects.

halJordan 2y ago
With that attitude, the pay will always be lower. Letting the dogma be self-reinforcing isnt the winning strat. The difference isnt even benefits, retirement, and pension. Maybe in the 80/90s or even 00s that was the case, but it's a dead philosophy carried by dead justifications.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  Citation needed.
- tossandthrow 2y ago
  The (employment) contract value should be the same, not the pay. There is less inherent risk for public sector jobs than for companies that can go bankrupt. Hence for the contract value to be the same, the pay needs to be a bit lower.
  - autoexecbat 2y ago
    You can get a president who wants to dismantle your whole department
evilduck 2y ago
My spouse is a federal civilian employee with a scientific background and a special pay rate accommodation for it. Relative to her industry the pay discrepancy is still about 20% lower. In software roles the top end of the career is roughly the starting pay of junior developers everywhere else. It's not just lower, it's horribly lower. They can absolutely make adjustments if congress needed or wanted to. The DoD as of 2019 does direct officer commissions for cybersecurity roles bringing people in as majors IIRC (it's still not as good pay as civilian cybersecurity roles but the gap is smaller and it has the prestige and lifetime benefits of being an officer).

yimmothathird 2y ago

I was fine for the pay structure on its own. I gave up when I was rejected for not having the hyper specific domain experience they wanted for the pay they were asking for. This was primarily a CRUD job btw and I was qualified by any other standard.

PyWoody 2y ago
I tried so hard to get into gov't tech but ultimately gave up. Jumping from the private sector to public seems impossible to me as an outsider. A friend of mine, who is a lawyer and does HR for the federal gov't, spent about a week helping me get my fed resume tightened up and I still got nothing. I don't even care about the pay cut. It just seems like interesting work.
- lostlogin 2y ago
  If you want the crap pay and crushing bureaucracy, university/academic work is similar.