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What made Canada special died decades ago, were it not for the strict visa process I would be living in the states (Vermont) right now, with a significantly hig

What made Canada special died decades ago, were it not for the strict visa process I would be living in the states (Vermont) right now, with a significantly higher salary (as a principal engineer), a lower income tax, healthier housing market, lower cost of living, and better quality of life.

snapplebobapple 2y ago
Canada used to say our healthcare was better but that hasnt been true for atleast a decade. Its more choose your version of crappy. Do you want to oay with your life savings (usa) or your life (canada)
- lm411 2y ago
  I (born and raised Canadian) moved my family to Canada 5 years ago. We've been on a waiting list for a doctor ever since. My only option to see a doctor here is to go the emergency room at the closest hospital.
  - snapplebobapple 2y ago
    Yah you are paying with your life. Its shockingly stupid because there are lots of good examples to oick and choose from how to do a public payor system correctly (singapore does it best imo but nordics and france are options for examples of better tham here just not best)
  - nubinetwork 2y ago
    If it makes you feel any better, I've been in the healthcare IT field for 20 years. I tried to stay away from the doctors office as much as possible. Last year I started feeling exhausted 24/7 and tried to make an appointment, but got turned away from my doctors office because my doctor retired and the new guy didn't want to let me make an appointment. So here I am on a waiting list, in a city where 10% of the population don't have a doctor either. I've been waiting for over a year. I wish I could change fields, "once you've seen how the sausage is made, you'll want to be a vegetarian"...
- swader999 2y ago
  Yes. Waited 18 months for a 15 minute cateract surgery that I needed 18 months ago. Should have had my license taken away this past year they were so bad.
jszymborski 2y ago
What makes Canada strong is its people, whom I love very much. I wish our gov't served us better, and I try my best to enact change, but it's a fool who thinks any country is without its faults.
- lm411 2y ago
  I love Canadians. And Americans. And I've lived in a few different countries in my life. No country is without faults, but, Canada right now is a mess.
lm411 2y ago
Funny thing, I lived outside of Canada for many years though I am Canadian born and raised. I moved my family back for a "better quality of life". Jokes on me. ;) I love the land and the people, but, the country itself is a mess. We have already planned our exit.
- swader999 2y ago
  Where too? It's crossing my mind more and more lately.
ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago
>were it not for the strict visa process I would be living in the states (Vermont) right now, with a significantly higher salary (as a principal engineer), a lower income tax, healthier housing market, lower cost of living, and better quality of life. Western Europe has all those things, is actually welcoming, has sane healthcare, and you don't even need to own a gun!
- nikolajan 2y ago
  It doesn't have the salary, eng salaries are significant deflated in Europe when compared to North America
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
    Outside of tech it's not too different. Tech pay isn't even bad, it just doesn't exhibit the massively inflated salaries of the US. Software is an easier, less professional job than most professional fields, it doesn't make sense for it to command preposterous sums. Though American devs don't like having this fact pointed out to them.
    - nikolajan 2y ago
      > Software is an easier, less professional job Are you in software development?
      - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        Yes, why? Coming from a family of actual engineers, I call myself a developer. Software workers haven't earned the title engineer.
        hyperman1 2y ago
        TBH I call myself and most software devs an engineer. It gives us something to aspire to.
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snapplebobapple 2y ago

Canada used to say our healthcare was better but that hasnt been true for atleast a decade. Its more choose your version of crappy. Do you want to oay with your life savings (usa) or your life (canada)

lm411 2y ago
I (born and raised Canadian) moved my family to Canada 5 years ago. We've been on a waiting list for a doctor ever since. My only option to see a doctor here is to go the emergency room at the closest hospital.
- snapplebobapple 2y ago
  Yah you are paying with your life. Its shockingly stupid because there are lots of good examples to oick and choose from how to do a public payor system correctly (singapore does it best imo but nordics and france are options for examples of better tham here just not best)
- nubinetwork 2y ago
  If it makes you feel any better, I've been in the healthcare IT field for 20 years. I tried to stay away from the doctors office as much as possible. Last year I started feeling exhausted 24/7 and tried to make an appointment, but got turned away from my doctors office because my doctor retired and the new guy didn't want to let me make an appointment. So here I am on a waiting list, in a city where 10% of the population don't have a doctor either. I've been waiting for over a year. I wish I could change fields, "once you've seen how the sausage is made, you'll want to be a vegetarian"...
swader999 2y ago
Yes. Waited 18 months for a 15 minute cateract surgery that I needed 18 months ago. Should have had my license taken away this past year they were so bad.

jszymborski 2y ago

What makes Canada strong is its people, whom I love very much. I wish our gov't served us better, and I try my best to enact change, but it's a fool who thinks any country is without its faults.

lm411 2y ago
I love Canadians. And Americans. And I've lived in a few different countries in my life. No country is without faults, but, Canada right now is a mess.

lm411 2y ago

Funny thing, I lived outside of Canada for many years though I am Canadian born and raised. I moved my family back for a "better quality of life". Jokes on me. ;) I love the land and the people, but, the country itself is a mess. We have already planned our exit.

swader999 2y ago
Where too? It's crossing my mind more and more lately.

ThePowerOfFuet 2y ago

>were it not for the strict visa process I would be living in the states (Vermont) right now, with a significantly higher salary (as a principal engineer), a lower income tax, healthier housing market, lower cost of living, and better quality of life. Western Europe has all those things, is actually welcoming, has sane healthcare, and you don't even need to own a gun!

nikolajan 2y ago
It doesn't have the salary, eng salaries are significant deflated in Europe when compared to North America
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  Outside of tech it's not too different. Tech pay isn't even bad, it just doesn't exhibit the massively inflated salaries of the US. Software is an easier, less professional job than most professional fields, it doesn't make sense for it to command preposterous sums. Though American devs don't like having this fact pointed out to them.
  - nikolajan 2y ago
    > Software is an easier, less professional job Are you in software development?
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
      Yes, why? Coming from a family of actual engineers, I call myself a developer. Software workers haven't earned the title engineer.
      - hyperman1 2y ago
        TBH I call myself and most software devs an engineer. It gives us something to aspire to.
2y ago