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Oh so you have Jobs' personal finance records? That's amazing! And you're breaking the news here on HN of all places! Okay but seriously, you don't have a clue

by shpoonj 14y ago

Oh so you have Jobs' personal finance records? That's amazing! And you're breaking the news here on HN of all places! Okay but seriously, you don't have a clue what Jobs did with his money and neither do I. So there's no point speculating.

rprasad 14y ago
We do know that Jobs made almost no charitable donations over the course of his life. He used to brag about it quite publicly in interviews, and it was only when he was rediagonised with cancer that he hinted that he might consider eventually changing his mind in the future. There are statements from friends and family supporting his lack of charity. It's not speculation. You can quibble over whether he donated a dollar or two to some bum somewhere, but ultimately, the reality is that Steve Jobs donated less to charity than either of us. Steve Jobs may have been a genius salesman, but he was definitely not a philanthropist.
kennywinker 14y ago
According to the NYT "there is no public record of Mr. Jobs giving money to charity" (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/ http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-...). Giving publicly is important if you want to be remembered for your charitable work.
- shpoonj 14y ago
  Right. Wanting to be remembered is just as selfish of an act as attaching your name to a donation. Whether Jobs donated anonymously or didn't donate at all, I can respect him so much more for not chasing attention and approval.
  - sliverstorm 14y ago
    So you're completely discounting the value of Gates attempting to inspire others to give- particularly other rich people?
- dewarrn1 14y ago
  Or perhaps giving publicly is what you do when you want to rehabilitate a tarnished public image. Regardless, Gladwell is taking the lazy columnist's approach of irresponsible prediction, intending to provoke indignation. There's plenty of room in history books, and both Gates and Jobs will have significant entries. I'll submit Edison and Telsa as examples of contemporaries in the same general field who both remain widely known decades after they passed on.
jhermsmeyer 14y ago
I have talked to directors of Bay Area charities that tell me that Jobs was a generous donator personally. In fact this just happened 2 weeks ago, and the person defended him vehemently. So there's one anecdotal data point for you.
- rprasad 14y ago
  You can verify donations to public charities when they file their (publicly accessible) information returns for the tax year. If Steve Jobs was a generous donor, he will show up in their returns for 2011 or 2012 (which should become available in the next few months, or next year, respectively). A lot of research has been done by a lot of journalists looking for a Steve Jobs entry in the donor lists of many charities (in prior years, i.e., 2010 or earlier), and they haven't found any yet. (This doesn't mean that he never made any donations, it is however strong evidence that Steve Jobs did not donate much, if anything, until the last few months of his life.)

by shpoonj 14y ago

rprasad 14y ago

We do know that Jobs made almost no charitable donations over the course of his life. He used to brag about it quite publicly in interviews, and it was only when he was rediagonised with cancer that he hinted that he might consider eventually changing his mind in the future. There are statements from friends and family supporting his lack of charity. It's not speculation. You can quibble over whether he donated a dollar or two to some bum somewhere, but ultimately, the reality is that Steve Jobs donated less to charity than either of us. Steve Jobs may have been a genius salesman, but he was definitely not a philanthropist.

kennywinker 14y ago

According to the NYT "there is no public record of Mr. Jobs giving money to charity" (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/ http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-...). Giving publicly is important if you want to be remembered for your charitable work.

shpoonj 14y ago
Right. Wanting to be remembered is just as selfish of an act as attaching your name to a donation. Whether Jobs donated anonymously or didn't donate at all, I can respect him so much more for not chasing attention and approval.
- sliverstorm 14y ago
  So you're completely discounting the value of Gates attempting to inspire others to give- particularly other rich people?
dewarrn1 14y ago
Or perhaps giving publicly is what you do when you want to rehabilitate a tarnished public image. Regardless, Gladwell is taking the lazy columnist's approach of irresponsible prediction, intending to provoke indignation. There's plenty of room in history books, and both Gates and Jobs will have significant entries. I'll submit Edison and Telsa as examples of contemporaries in the same general field who both remain widely known decades after they passed on.

jhermsmeyer 14y ago

I have talked to directors of Bay Area charities that tell me that Jobs was a generous donator personally. In fact this just happened 2 weeks ago, and the person defended him vehemently. So there's one anecdotal data point for you.

rprasad 14y ago
You can verify donations to public charities when they file their (publicly accessible) information returns for the tax year. If Steve Jobs was a generous donor, he will show up in their returns for 2011 or 2012 (which should become available in the next few months, or next year, respectively). A lot of research has been done by a lot of journalists looking for a Steve Jobs entry in the donor lists of many charities (in prior years, i.e., 2010 or earlier), and they haven't found any yet. (This doesn't mean that he never made any donations, it is however strong evidence that Steve Jobs did not donate much, if anything, until the last few months of his life.)