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To non-EU big tech that is. They are very happy to protect Spotify.
by robertfall 2y ago
To non-EU big tech that is. They are very happy to protect Spotify.
- akmarinov 2y agoThere's basically no EU big tech, so what can you do
- input_sh 2y agoSpotify's not a monopoly by any stretch of the imagination.
- stouset 2y agoAnd Apple is, in Europe? iOS market share is something like 30%. I'd wager Spotify's share of the music streaming market is much higher.
- EMIRELADERO 2y agoSpotify sells content distribution. Apple sells the permission to have your own content, that you distribute, run on devices that your users own.
- stouset 2y agoThe App Store is content distribution in the exact same way that Spotify is. Third parties produce content, that content is delivered to users by an intermediate.
- EMIRELADERO 2y agoThe consumption happens inside Spotify however. Spotify is like an old-time records store where you'd get the chance to listen to a CD/vinyl record you picked from the aisle before buying it (except that in this case it's a subscription and you stay in the "store" the whole time) The App Store is like an electronics market where you purchase appliances that you take home and use later.
- stouset 2y agoThe consumption of apps happens inside Apple devices. The only meaningful difference is the subscription model vs. purchasing.
- EMIRELADERO 2y ago> The consumption of apps happens inside Apple devices. ...which the users own (including the individual iOS copy inside, with all the APIs those apps use)
- stouset 2y agoYou have strayed so far from the original point I have no idea how this is relevant.
- EMIRELADERO 2y agoThe users own their devices and the iOS copies inside them. Apple has no business being in the middle once the initial device sale is concluded.
- input_sh 2y agoOkay, what's a shorter stretch of imagination, that Google and Apple are a duopoly, or that Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube Music, Amazon Music, Tidal, Deezer etc etc, all of which share pretty much the same music library, are a monopoly by any definition?
- stouset 2y agoSorry, you mean Apple, Samsung, Xiaomi, Huawei, and Google? Spotify has north of 50% market share in Europe. Apple doesn’t even come close.
- troupo 2y agoThere's a difference between "distribute music controlled largely by the 4 big labels" and "be a part of a duopoly that controls the distribution of literally everything pertaining to modern life"
- threeseed 2y agoYou are saying duopoly when it isn't one i.e. Apple has 30% share. https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/europe
- madeofpalk 2y agoEU does not assert that Apple is a monopoly. It says Apple abuses its "dominant position on the market". Spotify surely enjoys a dominant position, but im not sure it abuses it. Certainly, the record labels hold a very dominant influence over Spotify.
- rekoil 2y agoRight. These gatekeeper laws are literally being created to combat "not-a-monopoly"-entities dominant positions in the market.
- InsomniacL 2y agoApple has a 100% monopoly it's AppStore on 2 billion devices though which $90,000,000,000 in trade is conducted. If that's not a market big enough to be considered for Anti-Competitive practices and illegally maintaining a monopoly then I don't know what is. The argument "people can just buy an android" didn't work for Microsoft with the Internet Browser abuse.
- zer00eyz 2y ago> Apple has a 100% monopoly it's AppStore McDonalds has 100% monopoly on happy meals. That doesn't make it a monopoly in the sense that you're using the term. And IOS's position in the EU or even the US looks nothing like "Microsoft" and IE. This isn't about monopoly in the EU. This is about the EU not being competitive in the mobile space, or software in general and wanting to foster local development without having to pay a tax to US corporations. What you're seeing is some of the first shots in attempts to unwind globalization.
- talldayo 2y ago> And IOS's position in the EU or even the US looks nothing like "Microsoft" and IE. Does it not? Apple's stance on marketing Safari as a "feature" instead of a product arguably goes further than Microsoft ever did. Combined with their unique stance on limiting alternate app stores it doesn't look any better in Apple's favor. Whether they did it deliberately or not, Apple has put themselves in a monopoly position that they use to specifically deny certain competitors from providing alternatives to Apple services. > This is about the EU not being competitive in the mobile space, or software in general Nobody is competitive in the mobile space. There are two software vendors; Apple and the catchall, Google. Both of them are American-owned and controlled. The only other "competitors" exist in places like China and Russia that are forcibly denied access to the duopoly. You can't scaremonger with a straight-face like this when everyone is in the pocket of American manufacturers. And that's the problem. The EU can bring the axe down because Apple doesn't deserve to set their own fee. They can kick and scream and piss and moan, but it only makes their situation look uglier and prolongs the inevitable. Apple has tested the limits for years, and now that we've documented their trespass it's time to teach them their lesson. The EU started it, but Japan is headed in the same direction and the current US administration has started their own investigation into Apple. > What you're seeing is some of the first shots in attempts to unwind globalization. Right now I'm only seeing a bunch of whiny apologists that want their segregated market back. You can have your App Store as long as the App Store customers aren't ideologically banned from getting software anywhere else. That's what a free market looks like, and Apple doesn't get a free pass for drafting their App Store rules with crayons and colored pencils.
- madeofpalk 2y agoWhat type of regulatory action would you like to see on Spotify?
- Mindwipe 2y agoFunny how Spotify keeps getting hit with GDPR fines if that's the case.
- CaptainZapp 2y agoEuropean companies are hit with fines if they misbehave: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1338745/competition-policy-eu-antitrust-fines/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1338745/competition-poli...
- dmitrygr 2y ago"It is equally illegal for the rich and the poor to panhandle under bridges"