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There is a similar type of app called NetPad. https://github.com/tareqimbasher/NetPad https://github.com/tareqimbasher/NetPad It's not as good as LINQPad, but

There is a similar type of app called NetPad. https://github.com/tareqimbasher/NetPad https://github.com/tareqimbasher/NetPad It's not as good as LINQPad, but it runs on the Mac.

celdon25 2y ago
They don't have Syntax Tree analysis yet but I hear it will be released soon Notice a common theme here? Literally zero ways to browse C# syntax trees available on the Mac. Nothing in the cloud either from what I could find. Roslyn was open-sourced in April 2014, which was 122 months ago. (edit: Another commenter pointed out that there is in fact a new VS Code extension that can do this, released Aug 2023) By the way, you can't get autocomplete either while interactively debugging C# outside of Windows. The debugger is proprietary. Maybe there's a way, but I haven't found one.
- NetPad 2y ago
  NetPad's latest release (v0.7.2) now includes a Syntax Tree visualizer.
- neonsunset 2y ago
  Rider. Also, autocomplete works in VS Code debug tab just fine? Please stop trying to make the windows point.
  - celdon25 2y ago
    What are you talking about? This is well documented. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/30065 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/30065 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/48810 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/48810 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/1609 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/1609 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/299 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/299 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-dotnettools/issues/573 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-dotnettools/issues/573 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/5276#issuecomment-1157031764 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/5276#issuecom... https://isdotnetopen.com/ https://isdotnetopen.com/ A Rider license costs $419 per year per seat and Jetbrains has a poor quality record by today's standards, and if you are a serious developer that has to use one of their products, you'll find yourself at the mercy of numerous YouTrack tickets that have been open for years. They have a habit of shipping integrations that are only partially working, and then calling it a day (or the better part of a decade). By the way, Rider may have been cheaper if not for the above moves by Microsoft: https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505
    - neonsunset 2y ago
      For organizations it is, for users it's $149 annually and then cheaper: https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/buy/?section=personal&billing=yearly https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/buy/?section=personal&billin... It is also free for OSS development, I maintain a couple of .NET libraries and applied for JetBrains free OSS license and they approved it within a week or so. On debugger - Rider uses its own debugger, they do not license it. Also, please do not link posts from Miguel De Icaza when he isn't in a good mood. He, unfortunately, does not provide constructive and/or unbiased criticism on .NET after moving out to Swift. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but current day support for C# on macOS and Linux is very good. It is even in a better shape than many other languages that have been platform-agnostic from the start, yet still don't have such good debugger, static analysis and profiler options.
      - celdon25 2y ago
        Not bad faith, these are issues I've been affected by first-hand. And when I have a technical issue I fix it by getting to the root cause, not becoming a vassal to JetBrains.
      - paulirwin 2y ago
        And for organizations, it's only $419 for the first year. It's $251/yr from 3+ years on. It should be noted that $419/year is $35/mo, which is still $10/mo cheaper than the Visual Studio 2022 Professional monthly subscription at $45/mo. $21/mo at 3+ years is less than half.
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    - jayd16 2y ago
      Your jetbrains hatred is so foreign to me. I think Rider is great and well worth the license.
    - kinjba11 2y ago
      I pay $173 per year for JetBrain's 'All Products Pack'. Considering the salary I make as a software engineer, and the quality of the tools JetBrains provides, this is a great investment. Rider works flawlessly for me, far better than VS. As a side, it always strikes me as ironic that software developers are paid extremely well and yet hesitate to pay even a modest fee for the tools that enable them to do their job. Most "free" tools are not free - someone was paid to create them. IMO whether engineers are on a stable payroll is a differentiating aspect to why some tools succeed and become widely used and some don't. In the case of dev tools, our tech corporatocracy MAMA (Microsoft, Apple, Meta, Alphabet) pay engineers to make products like VS Code, then release for free. This is for eyeballs of course, because charging for the tools would get them nothing in comparison to their main platform revenue streams, which benefit hugely from the network effect.
- tablloyd 2y ago
  Autocomplete works fine interactively debugging on MacOS with JetBrains rider. Syntax trees can be browsed on https://sharplab.io/ https://sharplab.io/ or again via Rider and I'm sure there are some other tools that I'm not aware of. The Roslyn sdk is part of .NET (cross platform) these days so anyone can use it to build a visualiser should they wish to.
  - szundi 2y ago
    Where would .NET developers be without the Java based IDE, the irony
    - SeriousM 2y ago
      Visual Studio exists long before jetbrains and VSCode is on elecron. I would say java ide is also an essential thing but not the thing that made everything possible.
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        With these kind of remarks, the point being that .NET team isn't serious enough for having cross-platform GUI tooling that would enable a proper cross-platform version of Visual Studio. Visual Studio for Mac (nee Mono Develop), could have been it, instead they decided to kill it, and focus on VSCode, which has already been communicated a couple of times, C# Dev Kit will never cover all use cases of VS proper, and it is also under the same license anyway. So MAUI will never support GNU/Linux, was also not used in VS4Mac due to its Catalist underpinnings, Forms and WPF will stay Windows forever, MS will never used Uno or Avalonia, thus it leaves a Java IDE platform and Electron for their cross-platform tooling. All, because regardless of what the .NET team does, upper management still wants to use .NET to drive Visual Studio and Windows licenses.
    - high_na_euv 2y ago
      Weird take Where CPP devs would be without C# based IDE? Where all devs would be without js/ts based vscode?
  - 2y ago
- phito 2y ago
  > Literally zero ways to browse C# syntax trees available on the Mac. Literally zero? I can count 2 from the top of my head.
- 3836293648 2y ago
  Or anything with treesitter support?

There is a similar type of app called NetPad. https://github.com/tareqimbasher/NetPad https://github.com/tareqimbasher/NetPad It's not as good as LINQPad, but it runs on the Mac.

celdon25 2y ago

They don't have Syntax Tree analysis yet but I hear it will be released soon Notice a common theme here? Literally zero ways to browse C# syntax trees available on the Mac. Nothing in the cloud either from what I could find. Roslyn was open-sourced in April 2014, which was 122 months ago. (edit: Another commenter pointed out that there is in fact a new VS Code extension that can do this, released Aug 2023) By the way, you can't get autocomplete either while interactively debugging C# outside of Windows. The debugger is proprietary. Maybe there's a way, but I haven't found one.

NetPad 2y ago
NetPad's latest release (v0.7.2) now includes a Syntax Tree visualizer.
neonsunset 2y ago
Rider. Also, autocomplete works in VS Code debug tab just fine? Please stop trying to make the windows point.
- celdon25 2y ago
  What are you talking about? This is well documented. https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/30065 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/30065 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/48810 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/48810 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/1609 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/1609 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/299 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/299 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-dotnettools/issues/573 https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-dotnettools/issues/573 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/5276#issuecomment-1157031764 https://github.com/dotnet/vscode-csharp/issues/5276#issuecom... https://isdotnetopen.com/ https://isdotnetopen.com/ A Rider license costs $419 per year per seat and Jetbrains has a poor quality record by today's standards, and if you are a serious developer that has to use one of their products, you'll find yourself at the mercy of numerous YouTrack tickets that have been open for years. They have a habit of shipping integrations that are only partially working, and then calling it a day (or the better part of a decade). By the way, Rider may have been cheaper if not for the above moves by Microsoft: https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505 https://github.com/dotnet/core/issues/505
  - neonsunset 2y ago
    For organizations it is, for users it's $149 annually and then cheaper: https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/buy/?section=personal&billing=yearly https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/buy/?section=personal&billin... It is also free for OSS development, I maintain a couple of .NET libraries and applied for JetBrains free OSS license and they approved it within a week or so. On debugger - Rider uses its own debugger, they do not license it. Also, please do not link posts from Miguel De Icaza when he isn't in a good mood. He, unfortunately, does not provide constructive and/or unbiased criticism on .NET after moving out to Swift. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but current day support for C# on macOS and Linux is very good. It is even in a better shape than many other languages that have been platform-agnostic from the start, yet still don't have such good debugger, static analysis and profiler options.
    - celdon25 2y ago
      Not bad faith, these are issues I've been affected by first-hand. And when I have a technical issue I fix it by getting to the root cause, not becoming a vassal to JetBrains.
    - paulirwin 2y ago
      And for organizations, it's only $419 for the first year. It's $251/yr from 3+ years on. It should be noted that $419/year is $35/mo, which is still $10/mo cheaper than the Visual Studio 2022 Professional monthly subscription at $45/mo. $21/mo at 3+ years is less than half.
      - deleted 2y ago
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  - jayd16 2y ago
    Your jetbrains hatred is so foreign to me. I think Rider is great and well worth the license.
  - kinjba11 2y ago
    I pay $173 per year for JetBrain's 'All Products Pack'. Considering the salary I make as a software engineer, and the quality of the tools JetBrains provides, this is a great investment. Rider works flawlessly for me, far better than VS. As a side, it always strikes me as ironic that software developers are paid extremely well and yet hesitate to pay even a modest fee for the tools that enable them to do their job. Most "free" tools are not free - someone was paid to create them. IMO whether engineers are on a stable payroll is a differentiating aspect to why some tools succeed and become widely used and some don't. In the case of dev tools, our tech corporatocracy MAMA (Microsoft, Apple, Meta, Alphabet) pay engineers to make products like VS Code, then release for free. This is for eyeballs of course, because charging for the tools would get them nothing in comparison to their main platform revenue streams, which benefit hugely from the network effect.
tablloyd 2y ago
Autocomplete works fine interactively debugging on MacOS with JetBrains rider. Syntax trees can be browsed on https://sharplab.io/ https://sharplab.io/ or again via Rider and I'm sure there are some other tools that I'm not aware of. The Roslyn sdk is part of .NET (cross platform) these days so anyone can use it to build a visualiser should they wish to.
- szundi 2y ago
  Where would .NET developers be without the Java based IDE, the irony
  - SeriousM 2y ago
    Visual Studio exists long before jetbrains and VSCode is on elecron. I would say java ide is also an essential thing but not the thing that made everything possible.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      With these kind of remarks, the point being that .NET team isn't serious enough for having cross-platform GUI tooling that would enable a proper cross-platform version of Visual Studio. Visual Studio for Mac (nee Mono Develop), could have been it, instead they decided to kill it, and focus on VSCode, which has already been communicated a couple of times, C# Dev Kit will never cover all use cases of VS proper, and it is also under the same license anyway. So MAUI will never support GNU/Linux, was also not used in VS4Mac due to its Catalist underpinnings, Forms and WPF will stay Windows forever, MS will never used Uno or Avalonia, thus it leaves a Java IDE platform and Electron for their cross-platform tooling. All, because regardless of what the .NET team does, upper management still wants to use .NET to drive Visual Studio and Windows licenses.
  - high_na_euv 2y ago
    Weird take Where CPP devs would be without C# based IDE? Where all devs would be without js/ts based vscode?
- 2y ago
phito 2y ago
> Literally zero ways to browse C# syntax trees available on the Mac. Literally zero? I can count 2 from the top of my head.
3836293648 2y ago
Or anything with treesitter support?