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Why is v a scam? Genuinely curious, I don't know much about it besides it being a c++ competitor.

mort96 2y ago
There has been a lot of ink spilled about how V is not as advertised. I am not going to repeat everything here, but here are some articles you can have a look at: * "V Language Review (2022)": https://mawfig.github.io/2022/06/18/v-lang-in-2022.html https://mawfig.github.io/2022/06/18/v-lang-in-2022.html * "V is for Vaporware": https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23/ https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23/ (and its follow-up, "V is for Vvork in Progress": https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03/ https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03/) * This comment on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/vq4ul6/why_does_v_language_get_so_much_hate/ieo500z/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/vq4ul... There's a whole lot more out there too.
- alex-m 2y ago
  The same good old 5 year old article that claims V's networking uses system("curl"), complaints that V doesn't run on every single Linux distro on release, uses debug builds with slow backend to measure performance, and complaints about V using git/make/libc and even electricity. The 2022 article about type checker bugs that have been fixed years ago, and with false claims like the string.len one. First sentence in the reddit comment: > V initially made some promises that seemed completely unrealistic (automatically translating any C or C++ program to V) lol https://github.com/vlang/c2v https://github.com/vlang/c2v https://github.com/vlang/doom https://github.com/vlang/doom Completely unrealistic while they literally exist and work.
  - mort96 2y ago
    The fact that these things were lies at the time should frame any reading of any current promises made by the V project. I have written the project off and am not aware of its current status, but I believe that its recent history (that article from 2022 is not 5 years old) should frame anyone's reading of current promises made by the project.
    - alex-m 2y ago
      There were no lies at the time. V not running on every single Linux distro on release is not a lie. V compiling without deps is not a lie (cc v.c). etc The 2019 article is 5 years old. Easy to count.
      - mort96 2y ago
        To bystanders who are interested in V: I recommend that you read the articles (especially the most recent one from 2022) and alex-m's response here, and decide for yourself which side you find the most trustworthy. I have nothing more to add and will not respond further. Goodbye.
        alex-m 2y ago
        Yes and please run the examples from the 2022 articles to verify that these type checker bugs have all been fixed. (Not that having type checker bugs makes a language a scam in the first place.) @mort96 It's very unfortunate that you make strong claims like "None of the features which sound interesting actually work, and there's no sign that anyone working on the language has any idea how they'll make them work." and fail to post a single proof of such features.
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    So, is the 2023 version also a lie? https://n-skvortsov-1997.github.io/reviews/ https://n-skvortsov-1997.github.io/reviews/ At the time I was able to reproduce pretty much everything that was said I. This article.
alex-m 2y ago
It's not a scam. Read the posts by this person on this page. They're obsessed with the language and make up all these lies.
- bowsamic 2y ago
  “My haters are just obsessed with me” “My haters are just jealous” Or maybe you and your product are actually bad
  - alex-m 2y ago
    Well can you please list the actual reasons the product is a scam?
    - mort96 2y ago
      I believe you have been given links which explain that in great detail.
      - alex-m 2y ago
        I don't want links to articles that claim V is a scam because it uses git and electricity. I want examples of actual false claims on the website. Because you originally said every single claim on the website is a lie.
        bowsamic 2y ago
        The link I sent gives precise claims compared with advertised features. Anyway I realise I’m feeding a troll here so good luck
        alex-m 2y ago
        Like I said, a self proclaimed V hater for example: > Another lie, Alex himself wrote to me in Telegram, not the moderator. the entire thing isn't even about him, but a different person, and that person was contacted by the moderator. Yet this guy thinks it's about him. Not a very unbiased source. Bugs and leaks don't make the project a scam. Every project has bugs.

There has been a lot of ink spilled about how V is not as advertised. I am not going to repeat everything here, but here are some articles you can have a look at: * "V Language Review (2022)": https://mawfig.github.io/2022/06/18/v-lang-in-2022.html https://mawfig.github.io/2022/06/18/v-lang-in-2022.html * "V is for Vaporware": https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23/ https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23/ (and its follow-up, "V is for Vvork in Progress": https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03/ https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03/) * This comment on Reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/vq4ul6/why_does_v_language_get_so_much_hate/ieo500z/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/vq4ul... There's a whole lot more out there too.

alex-m 2y ago
The same good old 5 year old article that claims V's networking uses system("curl"), complaints that V doesn't run on every single Linux distro on release, uses debug builds with slow backend to measure performance, and complaints about V using git/make/libc and even electricity. The 2022 article about type checker bugs that have been fixed years ago, and with false claims like the string.len one. First sentence in the reddit comment: > V initially made some promises that seemed completely unrealistic (automatically translating any C or C++ program to V) lol https://github.com/vlang/c2v https://github.com/vlang/c2v https://github.com/vlang/doom https://github.com/vlang/doom Completely unrealistic while they literally exist and work.
- mort96 2y ago
  The fact that these things were lies at the time should frame any reading of any current promises made by the V project. I have written the project off and am not aware of its current status, but I believe that its recent history (that article from 2022 is not 5 years old) should frame anyone's reading of current promises made by the project.
  - alex-m 2y ago
    There were no lies at the time. V not running on every single Linux distro on release is not a lie. V compiling without deps is not a lie (cc v.c). etc The 2019 article is 5 years old. Easy to count.
    - mort96 2y ago
      To bystanders who are interested in V: I recommend that you read the articles (especially the most recent one from 2022) and alex-m's response here, and decide for yourself which side you find the most trustworthy. I have nothing more to add and will not respond further. Goodbye.
      - alex-m 2y ago
        Yes and please run the examples from the 2022 articles to verify that these type checker bugs have all been fixed. (Not that having type checker bugs makes a language a scam in the first place.) @mort96 It's very unfortunate that you make strong claims like "None of the features which sound interesting actually work, and there's no sign that anyone working on the language has any idea how they'll make them work." and fail to post a single proof of such features.
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  So, is the 2023 version also a lie? https://n-skvortsov-1997.github.io/reviews/ https://n-skvortsov-1997.github.io/reviews/ At the time I was able to reproduce pretty much everything that was said I. This article.

alex-m 2y ago

It's not a scam. Read the posts by this person on this page. They're obsessed with the language and make up all these lies.

bowsamic 2y ago
“My haters are just obsessed with me” “My haters are just jealous” Or maybe you and your product are actually bad
- alex-m 2y ago
  Well can you please list the actual reasons the product is a scam?
  - mort96 2y ago
    I believe you have been given links which explain that in great detail.
    - alex-m 2y ago
      I don't want links to articles that claim V is a scam because it uses git and electricity. I want examples of actual false claims on the website. Because you originally said every single claim on the website is a lie.
      - bowsamic 2y ago
        The link I sent gives precise claims compared with advertised features. Anyway I realise I’m feeding a troll here so good luck
        alex-m 2y ago
        Like I said, a self proclaimed V hater for example: > Another lie, Alex himself wrote to me in Telegram, not the moderator. the entire thing isn't even about him, but a different person, and that person was contacted by the moderator. Yet this guy thinks it's about him. Not a very unbiased source. Bugs and leaks don't make the project a scam. Every project has bugs.