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What I understand is that it's GPT 6 that just went into training, and that GPT 5 is complete and being delayed until after the U.S. election.

r2_pilot 2y ago
(assuming you are correct) It says something about how a company feels about the safety of their products when they feel like they should time the releases based on political events.
- futureshock 2y ago
  This is speculation because I don’t think any of the key players ever explicitly stated this is their strategy, but this year it feels like there’s some significant foot dragging on things like Sora and GPT-5. The big AI players really don’t want AI to become an election year punching bag and don’t want any major campaign promises around AI to placate a spooked electorate. And they really don’t want it to be revealed that generative AI powered bot armies outnumber real human political discourse 10-1. And they absolutely do not want an AI generated hoax video to have a measurable effect on the polls. It’s a stopgap. If we get through this election without a major public freak out, it gives the industry 4 more years to take LLMs out to the point of diminishing returns and figure out safety before we get knee jerk regulation.
viraptor 2y ago
It there any online confirmation of this, that's more than speculation?
- icpmacdo 2y ago
  No there is not
PaulWaldman 2y ago
And after GPT-5's release, what would be the plan for subsequent elections? This seems to be a temporary play in delaying AI regulation if public sentiment further becomes that AI can have a strong influence in the elections.
- imjonse 2y ago
  GPT-5 will make elections obsolete :)
  - Sysreq2 2y ago
    Roko would be proud of you. I welcome our new electric masters.
    - antifa 2y ago
      Managed democracy offers absolute freedom; freedom from the burden of choice
- futureshock 2y ago
  It’s absolutely temporary, but 4 years feels like an eternity in this field and the m sure the major players would love to have that much time to entrench themselves before they have to battle “AI ban” legislation.
modeless 2y ago
This is pure speculation, right?
- gotrythis 2y ago
  I've listened to so many interviews that I couldn't tell you who said what at this point, but that is what I understood from somewhere. So, sure, take it as speculation.
- gotrythis 2y ago
  Here's something that talks about it. I can't speak for the legitimacy, but I'm not pulling it out of my ass. They may be pulling it out of theirs. :-) https://lifearchitect.ai/gpt-6/ https://lifearchitect.ai/gpt-6/
sva_ 2y ago
Source: trust me bro
ilaksh 2y ago
I also believe that gpt-4o was originally called gpt-5. If you look at the image generation on their website from gpt-4o which has not been released, I believe that along with the voice caused Ilya to declare mission accomplished (AGI) and that is why there was a coup. The coup failed because no one wanted to wrap up the company or change the way it operated because they would lose a lot of money. The reason the name was changed was because there was a big public scare about gpt-5 taking over and so Altman had to promise not to release gpt-5 soon. So they changed the name to gpt-4o (omni). Which is A) obviously dramatically a different architecture, B) a huge step up in capabilities (most still unreleased) C) very general purpose. Because of A) and B), this should obviously be a new major version (5). Yes, this is speculation, but it's very obvious speculation to me. It's weird for me that most people not only don't share this view but seem to absolutely hate when I say it.
- christianqchung 2y ago
  I don't hate this speculation, I just don't buy it at all. 4o's about the same in terms of reasoning as 4. People don't find the text abilities that much more usable over 4 (at least on the LMS leaderboard). It's faster and has audio2audio capabilities alongside new native image stuff I think, but how exactly is that AGI if 4 isn't? These models understanding and reasoning ability is still far too weak to do any serious economic shifts yet.
  - ilaksh 2y ago
    Scroll to Explorations of Capabilities: https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/ https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/ That combined with the voice was probably considered AGI by Ilya.
    - christianqchung 2y ago
      Yes, I've seen this. Read my comment.
- Rastonbury 2y ago
  It's speculation with no basis at all, OAI has a track record of releasing half step models and 4o is no different just like 3 to 3.5 and the numerous subsequent 3.5 releases. If you've used 4 and 4o they are too similar for 4o to have been trained from scratch
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r2_pilot 2y ago

(assuming you are correct) It says something about how a company feels about the safety of their products when they feel like they should time the releases based on political events.

futureshock 2y ago
This is speculation because I don’t think any of the key players ever explicitly stated this is their strategy, but this year it feels like there’s some significant foot dragging on things like Sora and GPT-5. The big AI players really don’t want AI to become an election year punching bag and don’t want any major campaign promises around AI to placate a spooked electorate. And they really don’t want it to be revealed that generative AI powered bot armies outnumber real human political discourse 10-1. And they absolutely do not want an AI generated hoax video to have a measurable effect on the polls. It’s a stopgap. If we get through this election without a major public freak out, it gives the industry 4 more years to take LLMs out to the point of diminishing returns and figure out safety before we get knee jerk regulation.

viraptor 2y ago

It there any online confirmation of this, that's more than speculation?

icpmacdo 2y ago
No there is not

PaulWaldman 2y ago

And after GPT-5's release, what would be the plan for subsequent elections? This seems to be a temporary play in delaying AI regulation if public sentiment further becomes that AI can have a strong influence in the elections.

imjonse 2y ago
GPT-5 will make elections obsolete :)
- Sysreq2 2y ago
  Roko would be proud of you. I welcome our new electric masters.
  - antifa 2y ago
    Managed democracy offers absolute freedom; freedom from the burden of choice
futureshock 2y ago
It’s absolutely temporary, but 4 years feels like an eternity in this field and the m sure the major players would love to have that much time to entrench themselves before they have to battle “AI ban” legislation.

modeless 2y ago

This is pure speculation, right?

gotrythis 2y ago
I've listened to so many interviews that I couldn't tell you who said what at this point, but that is what I understood from somewhere. So, sure, take it as speculation.
gotrythis 2y ago
Here's something that talks about it. I can't speak for the legitimacy, but I'm not pulling it out of my ass. They may be pulling it out of theirs. :-) https://lifearchitect.ai/gpt-6/ https://lifearchitect.ai/gpt-6/

sva_ 2y ago

Source: trust me bro

ilaksh 2y ago

I also believe that gpt-4o was originally called gpt-5. If you look at the image generation on their website from gpt-4o which has not been released, I believe that along with the voice caused Ilya to declare mission accomplished (AGI) and that is why there was a coup. The coup failed because no one wanted to wrap up the company or change the way it operated because they would lose a lot of money. The reason the name was changed was because there was a big public scare about gpt-5 taking over and so Altman had to promise not to release gpt-5 soon. So they changed the name to gpt-4o (omni). Which is A) obviously dramatically a different architecture, B) a huge step up in capabilities (most still unreleased) C) very general purpose. Because of A) and B), this should obviously be a new major version (5). Yes, this is speculation, but it's very obvious speculation to me. It's weird for me that most people not only don't share this view but seem to absolutely hate when I say it.

christianqchung 2y ago
I don't hate this speculation, I just don't buy it at all. 4o's about the same in terms of reasoning as 4. People don't find the text abilities that much more usable over 4 (at least on the LMS leaderboard). It's faster and has audio2audio capabilities alongside new native image stuff I think, but how exactly is that AGI if 4 isn't? These models understanding and reasoning ability is still far too weak to do any serious economic shifts yet.
- ilaksh 2y ago
  Scroll to Explorations of Capabilities: https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/ https://openai.com/index/hello-gpt-4o/ That combined with the voice was probably considered AGI by Ilya.
  - christianqchung 2y ago
    Yes, I've seen this. Read my comment.
Rastonbury 2y ago
It's speculation with no basis at all, OAI has a track record of releasing half step models and 4o is no different just like 3 to 3.5 and the numerous subsequent 3.5 releases. If you've used 4 and 4o they are too similar for 4o to have been trained from scratch

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