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Video piracy is pretty much all in HEVC

by ugjka 2y ago

aaron695 2y ago
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Kirby64 2y ago
Not really. Only 4k content and anime seems to use HEVC/h265. Anything lower resolution has stuck to h264 for the time being.
- contingencies 2y ago
  FWIW IIRC yts.mx began offering H.265 on standard resolution films about a year or two back.
  - Kirby64 2y ago
    Yeah, and most people consider stuff off yts to be of poor quality. Encodes are bad and do not meet standards.
- SirMaster 2y ago
  But anything made in the last few or more years is 4K now and everything I watch is 4K, so all I find is HEVC stuff for everything. Sure, if you are going to go get an older show that's pre 4K/HDR or a movie that isn't on UHD disc yet, then it will be H.264 of course. But if you primarily watch newly made 4K/HDR content, it's all been HEVC for years now.
  - Kirby64 2y ago
    Again, depends on your source content. Obviously 4k/HDR is H265. Plenty of shows are still 1080p source though even today. Not the 'flagship' shiny ones, but there's a lot more 1080p max source content. And for those, the proper format is H264, and still is what is released today.
JamesSwift 2y ago
Uhh, not in my experience. Its extremely difficult to find h265 sources for a large majority of content. Its basically a meme where if you tell people you want to try and get h265 by default, they talk down to you like "why would you do that". From https://trash-guides.info/Misc/x265-4k/ https://trash-guides.info/Misc/x265-4k/ > Something like 95% of video files are x264 and have much better direct play support.
- babypuncher 2y ago
  That info seems a little out of date. The utility of h.265 at resolutions below 1080p can be questionable, but everything these days is 1080p or 4k. Hardware support has also been ubiquitous for a while now. iPhones have had it since 2016. I usually "move on" to the next codec for my encodes once I run out of hardware that doesn't support it, and that happened for me with h.265 in 2019. My iPad, laptop, and Shield TV are still holding me back from bothering with AV1. Though with how slow it is, I might stick with h.265 anyways.
  - JamesSwift 2y ago
    The guide isnt saying 95% of source content is h264. Its saying 95% of files you would download when pirating are h264. The scene, by and large, is transcoding h265 4k to h264 720/1080. The 4k h265 is available but its considered the 'premium' option.
    - Izkata 2y ago
      The scene maybe, but outside of the scene and into general uploads I'd say it's more like 80% h265.
    - babypuncher 2y ago
      Most 1080p encodes I see on pirate bay are h.265 these days. But frankly, most of what "the scene" produces it trash. I gave up on waiting for proper blu-rays for the remaining seasons of Bojack Horseman and pirated them a few weeks ago, and all the options were compromised. The best visual quality came from a set that was h.265 encoded with a reasonable average bitrate, yet the quality still did not reflect the bitrate at all, with obvious artifacting in fades and scenes with lots of motion. I usually get much better results at only slightly larger file sizes with my own blu-ray rips. I'm pretty sure the key difference is that I go for a variable bitrate with a constant quality, whereas most scene groups want to hit an arbitrary file size for every episode regardless of whether or not that is feasible for the content. Every episode in this set is almost exactly 266 MB, whereas similar shows that I rip will vary anywhere from 200 to 350 MB per episode.
Melatonic 2y ago
I think the big switch will happen once most people have TV's that can do 10bit color and true HDR. H264 can definitely do 10 bit but I'm not sure how well it handles higher dynamic range content (or if it even can) but H265 definitely can.
- babypuncher 2y ago
  I feel like the switch from AVC (h.264) to HEVC (h.265) has already happened. It's used in 4k blu rays, most premium streaming services, and hardware support has been ubiquitous for at least 6 years.

Video piracy is pretty much all in HEVC

by ugjka 2y ago

Video piracy is pretty much all in HEVC

aaron695 2y ago

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Kirby64 2y ago

Not really. Only 4k content and anime seems to use HEVC/h265. Anything lower resolution has stuck to h264 for the time being.

contingencies 2y ago
FWIW IIRC yts.mx began offering H.265 on standard resolution films about a year or two back.
- Kirby64 2y ago
  Yeah, and most people consider stuff off yts to be of poor quality. Encodes are bad and do not meet standards.
SirMaster 2y ago
But anything made in the last few or more years is 4K now and everything I watch is 4K, so all I find is HEVC stuff for everything. Sure, if you are going to go get an older show that's pre 4K/HDR or a movie that isn't on UHD disc yet, then it will be H.264 of course. But if you primarily watch newly made 4K/HDR content, it's all been HEVC for years now.
- Kirby64 2y ago
  Again, depends on your source content. Obviously 4k/HDR is H265. Plenty of shows are still 1080p source though even today. Not the 'flagship' shiny ones, but there's a lot more 1080p max source content. And for those, the proper format is H264, and still is what is released today.

JamesSwift 2y ago

Uhh, not in my experience. Its extremely difficult to find h265 sources for a large majority of content. Its basically a meme where if you tell people you want to try and get h265 by default, they talk down to you like "why would you do that". From https://trash-guides.info/Misc/x265-4k/ https://trash-guides.info/Misc/x265-4k/ > Something like 95% of video files are x264 and have much better direct play support.

babypuncher 2y ago
That info seems a little out of date. The utility of h.265 at resolutions below 1080p can be questionable, but everything these days is 1080p or 4k. Hardware support has also been ubiquitous for a while now. iPhones have had it since 2016. I usually "move on" to the next codec for my encodes once I run out of hardware that doesn't support it, and that happened for me with h.265 in 2019. My iPad, laptop, and Shield TV are still holding me back from bothering with AV1. Though with how slow it is, I might stick with h.265 anyways.
- JamesSwift 2y ago
  The guide isnt saying 95% of source content is h264. Its saying 95% of files you would download when pirating are h264. The scene, by and large, is transcoding h265 4k to h264 720/1080. The 4k h265 is available but its considered the 'premium' option.
  - Izkata 2y ago
    The scene maybe, but outside of the scene and into general uploads I'd say it's more like 80% h265.
  - babypuncher 2y ago
    Most 1080p encodes I see on pirate bay are h.265 these days. But frankly, most of what "the scene" produces it trash. I gave up on waiting for proper blu-rays for the remaining seasons of Bojack Horseman and pirated them a few weeks ago, and all the options were compromised. The best visual quality came from a set that was h.265 encoded with a reasonable average bitrate, yet the quality still did not reflect the bitrate at all, with obvious artifacting in fades and scenes with lots of motion. I usually get much better results at only slightly larger file sizes with my own blu-ray rips. I'm pretty sure the key difference is that I go for a variable bitrate with a constant quality, whereas most scene groups want to hit an arbitrary file size for every episode regardless of whether or not that is feasible for the content. Every episode in this set is almost exactly 266 MB, whereas similar shows that I rip will vary anywhere from 200 to 350 MB per episode.

Melatonic 2y ago

I think the big switch will happen once most people have TV's that can do 10bit color and true HDR. H264 can definitely do 10 bit but I'm not sure how well it handles higher dynamic range content (or if it even can) but H265 definitely can.

babypuncher 2y ago
I feel like the switch from AVC (h.264) to HEVC (h.265) has already happened. It's used in 4k blu rays, most premium streaming services, and hardware support has been ubiquitous for at least 6 years.