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The Sentry SDK is open source and easy to contribute to in my experience.

hahn-kev 2y ago
Yeah but who wants to contribute to an SDK for a service that you need to pay for? That would be like if Oracle DB was open to contribution
- MapleWalnut 2y ago
  Sentry provides a great hosted service. You can self host if you like, but it’s nicer to let them do it
- tnolet 2y ago
  Sentry is self hostable. https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/ https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/
  - brunoqc 2y ago
    But not foss. It's using the BSL or FSL or whatever.
    - riedel 2y ago
      Although I do not like those licences, I would not care so much about 2yrs until it goes FOSS. Before all this rush development RRDTool and OpenTSDB was so slow, this whole thing seems rather ideological than substantial criticism. Now going down the licence rabbit hole based to criticise the original argument seems like a classical strawman.
      - brunoqc 2y ago
        I was supporting a variation in my head of the "Yeah but who wants to contribute to an SDK for a service that you need to pay for?" claim. You can self-host for free, so maybe @hahn-kev don't mind contributing to the SDK now. For me, I refuse to contribute to an open-source SDK for a non-foss product. And I refuse to self-host a non-foss product. Personally, I don't care if non-foss licenses speeds development. So yeah in my case it's ideological.
        ensignavenger 2y ago
        https://glitchtip.com/ https://glitchtip.com/ is an Open Source form of Sentry created after they went closed source, if you are interested in something like that.
      - zeeg 2y ago
        Just want to say I appreciate your stance. (also no one should feel like they have to contribute to our SDKs, but please file a ticket if somethings fucked up and we'll deal w/ it)
  - nimih 2y ago
    Sentry is technically self-hostable, but they provide no deployment guidance beyond running the giant blob of services/microservices (including instances of postgres, redis, memcache, clickhouse, and kafka) as a single docker-compose thing. I get why they do this and think it's totally reasonable of them, but Sentry is a very complicated piece of software and takes substantially more work IME to both get up and running and maintain compared to other open-source self-hosted observability/monitoring/telemetry software I've had the pleasure of working with.
    - miohtama 2y ago
      Our Linux devops engineer, who had not used Sentry before, set up a self-hosted Sentry in a day.
      - tapoxi 2y ago
        Yeah, it works for a time, but they don't support on-premise versions and they don't offer a Helm chart install, its all community based. I tried it for well over a year, and there are so many moving parts and so many "best guesses" from the community that we had to rip it out. There's a lot of components, sentry, sentry-relay, snuba, celery, redis, clickhouse, zookeeper (for clickhouse), kafka, zookeeper (for kafka), maybe even elasticsearch for good measure. It did work for a time, but there are so many moving parts that required care and feeding it would inevitably break down at some point. Problem is I can't ship data to their SaaS version because we have PHI and our contracts forbid it, even if scrubbed, so I had to settle on OTEL.
        tnolet 2y ago
        Day 1 vs day 2. That’s why the SaaS version exists.
      - merb 2y ago
        It’s easy to setup but painful to keep running and it’s hard to backup.
      - chipdart 2y ago
  - doctorpangloss 2y ago
    PostHog and Rudderstack say the same things. They're not really self hosted. But that's the rub, if someone authored a good operator for Sentry, Sentry as a commercial service would cease to exist. That's not good in my opinion, they do real innovative stuff. It's tough. We should have never done "give away the software, charge for hosting." The market, in every sense, has been telling you that you're really building value for AWS, for years, by doing that.
- Spivak 2y ago
  I've been using GlitchTip https://glitchtip.com https://glitchtip.com with the Sentry SDKs and I couldn't be happier. Completely self-hosted, literally just the container and a db, requires zero attention.
- danielheath 2y ago
  If I'm using something for employment, and the employer would get value out of it getting a bug fixed, why would I not fix it?

Yeah but who wants to contribute to an SDK for a service that you need to pay for? That would be like if Oracle DB was open to contribution

MapleWalnut 2y ago
Sentry provides a great hosted service. You can self host if you like, but it’s nicer to let them do it
tnolet 2y ago
Sentry is self hostable. https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/ https://develop.sentry.dev/self-hosted/
- brunoqc 2y ago
  But not foss. It's using the BSL or FSL or whatever.
  - riedel 2y ago
    Although I do not like those licences, I would not care so much about 2yrs until it goes FOSS. Before all this rush development RRDTool and OpenTSDB was so slow, this whole thing seems rather ideological than substantial criticism. Now going down the licence rabbit hole based to criticise the original argument seems like a classical strawman.
    - brunoqc 2y ago
      I was supporting a variation in my head of the "Yeah but who wants to contribute to an SDK for a service that you need to pay for?" claim. You can self-host for free, so maybe @hahn-kev don't mind contributing to the SDK now. For me, I refuse to contribute to an open-source SDK for a non-foss product. And I refuse to self-host a non-foss product. Personally, I don't care if non-foss licenses speeds development. So yeah in my case it's ideological.
      - ensignavenger 2y ago
        https://glitchtip.com/ https://glitchtip.com/ is an Open Source form of Sentry created after they went closed source, if you are interested in something like that.
    - zeeg 2y ago
      Just want to say I appreciate your stance. (also no one should feel like they have to contribute to our SDKs, but please file a ticket if somethings fucked up and we'll deal w/ it)
- nimih 2y ago
  Sentry is technically self-hostable, but they provide no deployment guidance beyond running the giant blob of services/microservices (including instances of postgres, redis, memcache, clickhouse, and kafka) as a single docker-compose thing. I get why they do this and think it's totally reasonable of them, but Sentry is a very complicated piece of software and takes substantially more work IME to both get up and running and maintain compared to other open-source self-hosted observability/monitoring/telemetry software I've had the pleasure of working with.
  - miohtama 2y ago
    Our Linux devops engineer, who had not used Sentry before, set up a self-hosted Sentry in a day.
    - tapoxi 2y ago
      Yeah, it works for a time, but they don't support on-premise versions and they don't offer a Helm chart install, its all community based. I tried it for well over a year, and there are so many moving parts and so many "best guesses" from the community that we had to rip it out. There's a lot of components, sentry, sentry-relay, snuba, celery, redis, clickhouse, zookeeper (for clickhouse), kafka, zookeeper (for kafka), maybe even elasticsearch for good measure. It did work for a time, but there are so many moving parts that required care and feeding it would inevitably break down at some point. Problem is I can't ship data to their SaaS version because we have PHI and our contracts forbid it, even if scrubbed, so I had to settle on OTEL.
      - tnolet 2y ago
        Day 1 vs day 2. That’s why the SaaS version exists.
    - merb 2y ago
      It’s easy to setup but painful to keep running and it’s hard to backup.
    - chipdart 2y ago
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  PostHog and Rudderstack say the same things. They're not really self hosted. But that's the rub, if someone authored a good operator for Sentry, Sentry as a commercial service would cease to exist. That's not good in my opinion, they do real innovative stuff. It's tough. We should have never done "give away the software, charge for hosting." The market, in every sense, has been telling you that you're really building value for AWS, for years, by doing that.
Spivak 2y ago
I've been using GlitchTip https://glitchtip.com https://glitchtip.com with the Sentry SDKs and I couldn't be happier. Completely self-hosted, literally just the container and a db, requires zero attention.
danielheath 2y ago
If I'm using something for employment, and the employer would get value out of it getting a bug fixed, why would I not fix it?