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Wouldn’t the us government step in if intel was bombed in Israel ?

by pylua 2y ago

demondemidi 2y ago
During the attack on Haifa in the 2000s an intel site was hit.
clipsy 2y ago
Would it matter? There's no response that will magically rebuild a fab overnight. Better to build it somewhere it's unlikely to be bombed in the first place.
- nebula8804 2y ago
  Yeah...so lets put our crown fab in a desert that is slowly being reclaimed by the planet.
  - richrichie 2y ago
    >reclaimed by the planet you mean the desert was taken away from the planet and the planet is claiming it back? where will it go?
    - nebula8804 2y ago
      We are all dirt that emerged from the planet. Sooner or later (probably sooner) the planet takes back what belongs to it. [1]:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verde-scottsdale.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verd...
      - richrichie 2y ago
        Are you saying there are things that planet has that do not belong to it?
        nebula8804 2y ago
        No I am saying we are all dirt that emerged from the planet. Sooner or later (probably sooner) the planet takes back what belongs to it.
        richrichie 2y ago
        But, we ARE the planet. It is arrogant to visualize ourselves and what we create as something external to the planet.
        nebula8804 2y ago
        You are agreeing with me. As dirt that emerged from the planet, we are a subset of the entire planet and thus are subject to its whims.
        richrichie 2y ago
        We agree, indeed
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  - sudosysgen 2y ago
    The entire fertile crescent is a desert that is being reclaimed by the planet. I don't see how Israel is in any better of a position, there: despite old narratives to the contrary, desertification is not any less of a problem in Israel than in other deserts, and as global warming continues there is growing evidence that in fact anti-desertification efforts in Israel are backfiring. Given the political situation, it's more likely that desertification can be obviated for the purposes of a fab in an American desert than in really any other in the world.
    - nebula8804 2y ago
      Was talking about Arizona seeing as how their top fab is being built there and things like this are happening: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verde-scottsdale.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verd... But yes Dubai possibly, Israel, and the like are also goners long term.
pubg 2y ago
You are right, and also Israel as a region is still highly unstable. Do you want to travel there today? I'll pass, thanks :)
- AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
  100% would go back today. Drove through Be'er Sheva in 2019 while Hamas was sending rockets (earlier the same day I was there, not at exactly the same time) and would go back again without hesitation.
  - richrichie 2y ago
    You should go back often. The tourism industry is effectively dead [1]. If your visit - even at the risk of losing a limb or death - can feed a single Israeli for a day, you must visit. 1. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240208-gaza-war-paralyses-israeli-tourism-s-post-pandemic-rebound https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240208-gaza-war-para...
    - TechDebtDevin 2y ago
      This article makes me happy :)
- fortran77 2y ago
  I'm flying to Israel after shavuot, this Thursday. I'll feel much safer in Israel than I do in the United States.
  - TechDebtDevin 2y ago
    Cool, that's your opinion (weirldly). Haven't seen many rockets landing in the USA or any missile defense systems needing deployed. Get a grip.
    - fortran77 2y ago
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hot_gril 2y ago
The US govt has already stepped in
akira2501 2y ago
In a way different than they are now? Or do you mean literally put troops on the ground there to protect an offshore branch of a US multinational corporation?
pseudo0 2y ago
Consider the indirect risks as well: - A significant fraction of your workforce are reservists who might disappear for months with little notice. - Potential trade disruption due to Israel's highly controversial actions in Gaza (eg. Turkey halting all trade with Israel). - Shipping disruption and increased cost due to Houthi attacks. - Potential sanctions or BDS campaigns, like South Africa. - Difficult to convince international employees to relocate to a conflict zone.
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- ngneer 2y ago
  Intel Israel has never missed a wafer, despite all of the above
  - trogdor 2y ago
    What does “missed a wafer” mean?
    - ngneer 2y ago
      Chips come on wafers. Wafers come in lots. To miss a wafer is to deliver a wafer later than promised, delaying the lot. Intel Israel has never delivered a wafer late.

Wouldn’t the us government step in if intel was bombed in Israel ?

by pylua 2y ago

Wouldn’t the us government step in if intel was bombed in Israel ?

demondemidi 2y ago

During the attack on Haifa in the 2000s an intel site was hit.

clipsy 2y ago

Would it matter? There's no response that will magically rebuild a fab overnight. Better to build it somewhere it's unlikely to be bombed in the first place.

nebula8804 2y ago
Yeah...so lets put our crown fab in a desert that is slowly being reclaimed by the planet.
- richrichie 2y ago
  >reclaimed by the planet you mean the desert was taken away from the planet and the planet is claiming it back? where will it go?
  - nebula8804 2y ago
    We are all dirt that emerged from the planet. Sooner or later (probably sooner) the planet takes back what belongs to it. [1]:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verde-scottsdale.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verd...
    - richrichie 2y ago
      Are you saying there are things that planet has that do not belong to it?
      - nebula8804 2y ago
        No I am saying we are all dirt that emerged from the planet. Sooner or later (probably sooner) the planet takes back what belongs to it.
        richrichie 2y ago
        But, we ARE the planet. It is arrogant to visualize ourselves and what we create as something external to the planet.
        nebula8804 2y ago
        You are agreeing with me. As dirt that emerged from the planet, we are a subset of the entire planet and thus are subject to its whims.
        richrichie 2y ago
        We agree, indeed
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- sudosysgen 2y ago
  The entire fertile crescent is a desert that is being reclaimed by the planet. I don't see how Israel is in any better of a position, there: despite old narratives to the contrary, desertification is not any less of a problem in Israel than in other deserts, and as global warming continues there is growing evidence that in fact anti-desertification efforts in Israel are backfiring. Given the political situation, it's more likely that desertification can be obviated for the purposes of a fab in an American desert than in really any other in the world.
  - nebula8804 2y ago
    Was talking about Arizona seeing as how their top fab is being built there and things like this are happening: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verde-scottsdale.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/16/us/arizona-water-rio-verd... But yes Dubai possibly, Israel, and the like are also goners long term.

pubg 2y ago

You are right, and also Israel as a region is still highly unstable. Do you want to travel there today? I'll pass, thanks :)

AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
100% would go back today. Drove through Be'er Sheva in 2019 while Hamas was sending rockets (earlier the same day I was there, not at exactly the same time) and would go back again without hesitation.
- richrichie 2y ago
  You should go back often. The tourism industry is effectively dead [1]. If your visit - even at the risk of losing a limb or death - can feed a single Israeli for a day, you must visit. 1. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240208-gaza-war-paralyses-israeli-tourism-s-post-pandemic-rebound https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240208-gaza-war-para...
  - TechDebtDevin 2y ago
    This article makes me happy :)
fortran77 2y ago
I'm flying to Israel after shavuot, this Thursday. I'll feel much safer in Israel than I do in the United States.
- TechDebtDevin 2y ago
  Cool, that's your opinion (weirldly). Haven't seen many rockets landing in the USA or any missile defense systems needing deployed. Get a grip.
  - fortran77 2y ago
    [flagged]

hot_gril 2y ago

The US govt has already stepped in

akira2501 2y ago

In a way different than they are now? Or do you mean literally put troops on the ground there to protect an offshore branch of a US multinational corporation?

pseudo0 2y ago

Consider the indirect risks as well: - A significant fraction of your workforce are reservists who might disappear for months with little notice. - Potential trade disruption due to Israel's highly controversial actions in Gaza (eg. Turkey halting all trade with Israel). - Shipping disruption and increased cost due to Houthi attacks. - Potential sanctions or BDS campaigns, like South Africa. - Difficult to convince international employees to relocate to a conflict zone.

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ngneer 2y ago
Intel Israel has never missed a wafer, despite all of the above
- trogdor 2y ago
  What does “missed a wafer” mean?
  - ngneer 2y ago
    Chips come on wafers. Wafers come in lots. To miss a wafer is to deliver a wafer later than promised, delaying the lot. Intel Israel has never delivered a wafer late.