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Hitler also had the same hand gesture in his portrait by Heinrich Knirr

imglorp 2y ago
More than one evidently. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hitler+portrait+by+Heinrich+Knirr&ia=images&iax=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hitler+portrait+by+Heinrich+Knirr&...
riskable 2y ago
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- DontchaKnowit 2y ago
  That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.
  - deprecative 2y ago
    And? Words and phrases are often adopted by a group to mean things they didn't. The ok hand gesture was a joke then it was embraced by Nazis and here we are. But you knew that.
    - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
      No, I dont know that, because it is false. The hand symbol is a running joke about looking at someone elses testicles. The peoppe that play this game are rowdy adolescent boys. Those boys went online and made ironic racist jokes, as young boys do, and now somehow people think its a symbol of white power. Anyone who knows whats going on is laughing at your foolishness.
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      - DonHopkins 2y ago
        So let me get this right: you're only PRETENDING to be wrong and stupid, so you can laugh at us for thinking you're wrong and stupid. Wow, you totally owned us by acting just like a teenage boy! I get it, now that you've admitted that you're just playing a trolling game, and don't actually believe anything you're saying, just like those teenage boys whose behavior you're defending and emulating. So there's no point in continuing making those arguments you don't even believe yourself.
        DontchaKnowit 2y ago
        Youre a disinginous cunt, just fyi. You've succesfully riled me up, which was clearly your goal, but youve still failed to make any kind of sense or construct a cohesive argument, so respectfully, you can suck my entire dick.
        DonHopkins 2y ago
        Your "boys will be boys" argument is obviously self-serving, because you're acting exactly like the worst kind of teenage boy edgelord, living in his mother's basement, trolling on 4chan, participating in Gamergate. You keep making provably false claims and ignoring the evidence, and in spite of your baseless arguments to the contrary, teenage boys certainly can be racist, and teenage boys aren't the only ones using the "ok" symbol with racist intent. How about not trying to defend and justify that behavior, at the same time you're exhibiting a textbook case of that pathological behavior. It totally discredits your baseless arguments. You're trying to argue that it's only to rile people up, with no racist intent, then you're getting totally riled up yourself, defending intentional racists. So what's wrong with me successfully doing the exact same thing you're trying to defend, back to you? According to your own words, I should be laughing at you. If you don't like being on the receiving end, then perhaps you shouldn't be defending people who dish it out. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ Roger Stone is 71 years old, not a teenage boy. He was convicted of seven felony charges, including witness tampering, lying to congress, and obstruction, in relation to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, and he's a trusted advisor to Donald Trump who had White House access and still hangs out with him at Mar-a-Lago. Not a teenaged boy for 52 years, but definitely a racist hanging out with a bunch of other racists. And here you are defending him, with your idiotic "boys will be boys" argument, while acting just like a teenage boy yourself.
  - stanleykm 2y ago
    Even if it started as a fabrication it was pretty quickly adopted by the crowd you’d expect to be using such a hand gesture. IOW “Teehee I’m doing a hand gesture everyone thinks is racist but its not because its an internet joke” isnt the own you think it is.
    - andrewla 2y ago
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      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Except by the Christchurch shooter in court: https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-appears-in-court/ https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-... And on Jan 6: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-right-symbols-capitol-riot/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-r... And the Proud Boys: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ Yes it started as "a joke" to troll the libs. And then became and has been used as intended.
        DontchaKnowit 2y ago
        Far right != white power movement or white nationalism. Proud boys != white power group or white nationalist group.
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        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Your claim was some mishmash of "only kids do it" and "no one does it in the real world" and "only trolls do it" So I'm not sure what you think you're correcting here.
  - Ginguin 2y ago
    That's the magic of human beings. Once the joke spreads to the point where the people who are in on it are flashing the symbol for the lolz, it no longer matters how it started or if there is no historical basis for the connection between the symbol and certain beliefs. The association exists now, however ironically. Oh look, the guy who is racist is flashing the ok symbol. His buddy, who is in the same spaces online is flashing the symbol as a joke. How can we not make certain assumptions about the second person and what they think?
    - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
      Heres the thing though, these are not self professed racists. These are people that left wing radicals are calling racist. That is a very different sitatuion than the symbol being an indicator of allegience to a "white power" movement. It more accurately indicates affiliation with irony poisoned youth who get off on making people look stupid online
      - DonHopkins 2y ago
        Calling out racism is not the exclusive behavior of left wing radicals. Or are you admitting that no right wing people ever call out racism, so if you do then you must be a left wing radical? You're the one jumping to unfounded conclusions about people, instead of taking what they tell you (or hand gesture) about themselves at face value, and your choice of who you logically contort and lie to defend, and who you attack as "radical" merely for calling out racism, paints an extremely sad and revealing picture of the kind of person you truly are. When somebody tells you they're a racist, believe them. And your intellectually dishonest arguments are telling me just that, so I believe you.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Uh, no. It started as a joke, and then was absolutely adopted "as a joke" by white supremacists... which is functionally equivalent to a symbol of white supremacists. Not many people who aren't white supremacists are comfortable being labeled as one, and no one would "throw" this sign without knowledge they'd be labeled as a white supremacist, ergo either you're one of the few who's comfortable being labeled that way despite not being one (in which case yeah, you'll be labeled that way and don't have much to complain about), or you are one. That is exactly how all social signals work. https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-appears-in-court/ https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-... Note: I do think people are sometimes too ambitious to leap toward accidental/arguable "flashing" of this sign as evidence of this belief system, but there are absolutely people who are consciously, deliberately, and sincerely doing it.
    - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
      "Not many people who arent white supremecists are comfortable being labeled as one" Wrong. Thats everyone that uses the hand sign. The joke is that cnn watched dipshits think its some kinda of white supremecist signal, so its funny to do to get under peoples skin. Thats literally all there is to it. Has nothing to do with any white power movement. Do you know where its current popularity came from? A childrens game called ballgazer.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Let me know if I got this right: You're purposely making other people mistake you for a racist... solely for the purpose of upsetting them... and when they get upset and think you're a racist... they're the "dipshits"? Yeah, everyone knows the origin and they know the cover story. Even and especially in light of those facts, if a grown adult does it, they're either 1) a racist, 2) an asshole, 3) a moron, or 4) a combination of the above. No one is calling out children for playing a children's game. They're calling out adults who are either identifying as racists or pretend identifying as racists in order to be an asshole to other people, otherwise known as "being an asshole."
      - DonHopkins 2y ago
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    N*gger jokes are jokes, but that doesn't mean it's not racist to make them and call black people n*gger to their face or online, just because you say you're just joking. And doing that online is just as racist as doing it in person. And your pathetic excuses that it's only teenage boys doing that, and that you know for a fact that all teenage boys who do that are only pretending to be racist because it's impossible for a teenage boy to actually be racist, only reveals that you yourself actually did that when you were a teenage boy, and you still haven't grown up and matured mentally enough to admit that it was wrong. Your ridiculous "boys will be boys" argument is absolute unmitigated bullshit, trying to justify your own misbehavior and racist beliefs you still haven't grown out of. You certainly sound exactly like a racist goat fucking teenaged boy. What other possible explanation is there for you carrying their water by making such disingenuous untrue arguments, and ignoring the counter arguments? And you're arguing in bad faith and ignoring the evidence other people are showing you, like the photograph of the Proud Boys who attacked the US Capitol on January 6 and Roger Stone all flashing that White Supremacist symbol fully knowing what it means and intending it to be understood that way, when NONE if them are teenaged boys. Those fully grown men are violent White Supremacists, and Roger Stone is 71 years old, not a teenaged boy. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ Roger Stone was convicted of seven felony charges, including witness tampering, lying to congress, and obstruction, in relation to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, and he's a trusted advisor to Donald Trump who had White House access and still hangs out with him at Mar-a-Lago. Not a teenaged boy for 52 years, but definitely a racist hanging out with a bunch of other racists. And here you are defending him.
    - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
      Dude its fucking WILD that you are all over this thread calling me a racist for defending the "okay" sign, yet you are straight up dropping N bombs in your comments. The fuck is your problem dude?
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SamBam 2y ago
Most likely the artist referencing the style of the earlier paintings.

More than one evidently. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hitler+portrait+by+Heinrich+Knirr&ia=images&iax=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Hitler+portrait+by+Heinrich+Knirr&...

riskable 2y ago

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DontchaKnowit 2y ago
That is a joke... the "ok" symbol being associated with "white piwer" is a complete and total fabrication.
- deprecative 2y ago
  And? Words and phrases are often adopted by a group to mean things they didn't. The ok hand gesture was a joke then it was embraced by Nazis and here we are. But you knew that.
  - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
    No, I dont know that, because it is false. The hand symbol is a running joke about looking at someone elses testicles. The peoppe that play this game are rowdy adolescent boys. Those boys went online and made ironic racist jokes, as young boys do, and now somehow people think its a symbol of white power. Anyone who knows whats going on is laughing at your foolishness.
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    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      So let me get this right: you're only PRETENDING to be wrong and stupid, so you can laugh at us for thinking you're wrong and stupid. Wow, you totally owned us by acting just like a teenage boy! I get it, now that you've admitted that you're just playing a trolling game, and don't actually believe anything you're saying, just like those teenage boys whose behavior you're defending and emulating. So there's no point in continuing making those arguments you don't even believe yourself.
      - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
        Youre a disinginous cunt, just fyi. You've succesfully riled me up, which was clearly your goal, but youve still failed to make any kind of sense or construct a cohesive argument, so respectfully, you can suck my entire dick.
        DonHopkins 2y ago
        Your "boys will be boys" argument is obviously self-serving, because you're acting exactly like the worst kind of teenage boy edgelord, living in his mother's basement, trolling on 4chan, participating in Gamergate. You keep making provably false claims and ignoring the evidence, and in spite of your baseless arguments to the contrary, teenage boys certainly can be racist, and teenage boys aren't the only ones using the "ok" symbol with racist intent. How about not trying to defend and justify that behavior, at the same time you're exhibiting a textbook case of that pathological behavior. It totally discredits your baseless arguments. You're trying to argue that it's only to rile people up, with no racist intent, then you're getting totally riled up yourself, defending intentional racists. So what's wrong with me successfully doing the exact same thing you're trying to defend, back to you? According to your own words, I should be laughing at you. If you don't like being on the receiving end, then perhaps you shouldn't be defending people who dish it out. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ Roger Stone is 71 years old, not a teenage boy. He was convicted of seven felony charges, including witness tampering, lying to congress, and obstruction, in relation to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, and he's a trusted advisor to Donald Trump who had White House access and still hangs out with him at Mar-a-Lago. Not a teenaged boy for 52 years, but definitely a racist hanging out with a bunch of other racists. And here you are defending him, with your idiotic "boys will be boys" argument, while acting just like a teenage boy yourself.
- stanleykm 2y ago
  Even if it started as a fabrication it was pretty quickly adopted by the crowd you’d expect to be using such a hand gesture. IOW “Teehee I’m doing a hand gesture everyone thinks is racist but its not because its an internet joke” isnt the own you think it is.
  - andrewla 2y ago
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    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Except by the Christchurch shooter in court: https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-appears-in-court/ https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-... And on Jan 6: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-right-symbols-capitol-riot/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/far-r... And the Proud Boys: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ Yes it started as "a joke" to troll the libs. And then became and has been used as intended.
      - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
        Far right != white power movement or white nationalism. Proud boys != white power group or white nationalist group.
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        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Your claim was some mishmash of "only kids do it" and "no one does it in the real world" and "only trolls do it" So I'm not sure what you think you're correcting here.
- Ginguin 2y ago
  That's the magic of human beings. Once the joke spreads to the point where the people who are in on it are flashing the symbol for the lolz, it no longer matters how it started or if there is no historical basis for the connection between the symbol and certain beliefs. The association exists now, however ironically. Oh look, the guy who is racist is flashing the ok symbol. His buddy, who is in the same spaces online is flashing the symbol as a joke. How can we not make certain assumptions about the second person and what they think?
  - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
    Heres the thing though, these are not self professed racists. These are people that left wing radicals are calling racist. That is a very different sitatuion than the symbol being an indicator of allegience to a "white power" movement. It more accurately indicates affiliation with irony poisoned youth who get off on making people look stupid online
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      Calling out racism is not the exclusive behavior of left wing radicals. Or are you admitting that no right wing people ever call out racism, so if you do then you must be a left wing radical? You're the one jumping to unfounded conclusions about people, instead of taking what they tell you (or hand gesture) about themselves at face value, and your choice of who you logically contort and lie to defend, and who you attack as "radical" merely for calling out racism, paints an extremely sad and revealing picture of the kind of person you truly are. When somebody tells you they're a racist, believe them. And your intellectually dishonest arguments are telling me just that, so I believe you.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Uh, no. It started as a joke, and then was absolutely adopted "as a joke" by white supremacists... which is functionally equivalent to a symbol of white supremacists. Not many people who aren't white supremacists are comfortable being labeled as one, and no one would "throw" this sign without knowledge they'd be labeled as a white supremacist, ergo either you're one of the few who's comfortable being labeled that way despite not being one (in which case yeah, you'll be labeled that way and don't have much to complain about), or you are one. That is exactly how all social signals work. https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-appears-in-court/ https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/suspected-new-zealand-shooter-... Note: I do think people are sometimes too ambitious to leap toward accidental/arguable "flashing" of this sign as evidence of this belief system, but there are absolutely people who are consciously, deliberately, and sincerely doing it.
  - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
    "Not many people who arent white supremecists are comfortable being labeled as one" Wrong. Thats everyone that uses the hand sign. The joke is that cnn watched dipshits think its some kinda of white supremecist signal, so its funny to do to get under peoples skin. Thats literally all there is to it. Has nothing to do with any white power movement. Do you know where its current popularity came from? A childrens game called ballgazer.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Let me know if I got this right: You're purposely making other people mistake you for a racist... solely for the purpose of upsetting them... and when they get upset and think you're a racist... they're the "dipshits"? Yeah, everyone knows the origin and they know the cover story. Even and especially in light of those facts, if a grown adult does it, they're either 1) a racist, 2) an asshole, 3) a moron, or 4) a combination of the above. No one is calling out children for playing a children's game. They're calling out adults who are either identifying as racists or pretend identifying as racists in order to be an asshole to other people, otherwise known as "being an asshole."
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  N*gger jokes are jokes, but that doesn't mean it's not racist to make them and call black people n*gger to their face or online, just because you say you're just joking. And doing that online is just as racist as doing it in person. And your pathetic excuses that it's only teenage boys doing that, and that you know for a fact that all teenage boys who do that are only pretending to be racist because it's impossible for a teenage boy to actually be racist, only reveals that you yourself actually did that when you were a teenage boy, and you still haven't grown up and matured mentally enough to admit that it was wrong. Your ridiculous "boys will be boys" argument is absolute unmitigated bullshit, trying to justify your own misbehavior and racist beliefs you still haven't grown out of. You certainly sound exactly like a racist goat fucking teenaged boy. What other possible explanation is there for you carrying their water by making such disingenuous untrue arguments, and ignoring the counter arguments? And you're arguing in bad faith and ignoring the evidence other people are showing you, like the photograph of the Proud Boys who attacked the US Capitol on January 6 and Roger Stone all flashing that White Supremacist symbol fully knowing what it means and intending it to be understood that way, when NONE if them are teenaged boys. Those fully grown men are violent White Supremacists, and Roger Stone is 71 years old, not a teenaged boy. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/roger-stone-proud-boys/ Roger Stone was convicted of seven felony charges, including witness tampering, lying to congress, and obstruction, in relation to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, and he's a trusted advisor to Donald Trump who had White House access and still hangs out with him at Mar-a-Lago. Not a teenaged boy for 52 years, but definitely a racist hanging out with a bunch of other racists. And here you are defending him.
  - DontchaKnowit 2y ago
    Dude its fucking WILD that you are all over this thread calling me a racist for defending the "okay" sign, yet you are straight up dropping N bombs in your comments. The fuck is your problem dude?
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SamBam 2y ago

Most likely the artist referencing the style of the earlier paintings.