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Windows Recall demands an extraordinary level of trust Microsoft hasn't earned
- commandlinefan 2y agoEven if there's a "disable" button, I don't trust them to actually honor the disable button either.
- pixl97 2y ago"Hello, each and every Windows Update actually switches that button from disable to enable. All you have to do is remember to switch it back after every security update." --The future based off Microsofts past behavior.
- trinsic2 2y agoThis is why I left windows recently[0]. When you design an OS that doesn't respect the user's choices, you are no longer in control of the OS. Windows 11 shifted to trying to force people to use Edge. You can't even change the default browser in many cases without some serious work. And the FTC is going after anyone but Microsoft for anti-competitive behaviors. The desktop world looks bleak for people that depends on Windows. [0]: https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/publication-transition-windows-to-linux/ https://www.scottrlarson.com/publications/publication-transi...
- hulitu 2y ago"Your privacy is very important for us" when they were pushing me to accept the cookies on the Edge home screen.
- AzzyHN 2y agoI trust Microsoft to not send photos/videos of user activity back to home base. Seems like a lot of bandwidth. What I imagine will happen is the Recall feature will send summaries of user activity back to Microsoft. That way, it's "anonymized" and somehow legal
- hulitu 2y ago> I trust Microsoft to not send photos/videos of user activity back to home base. Seems like a lot of bandwidth. And you trust them also to not report you to 3 letter agencies when they see "something unusual" ? /s
- ein0p 2y agoMicrosoft seems unaware how much pr0n and other “objectionable” material its users peruse.
- hulitu 2y agoWhy do you think so ? They (and the NSA) just want your data. To clarify: They don't collect your data because they are perverts. They are required to do so.
- ein0p 2y agoIt was a charitable interpretation. I agree with you, there’s more to it than just “helping the user”, most likely. Wouldn’t be the first time.
- tssva 2y ago"Beaumont says admin access to the system isn’t required to read another user’s Recall database. Another user with an admin account can easily grab any other user’s Recall database and all the Recall screenshots by clicking through a simple UAC prompt." The person quoted in the article says admin access isn't required and to bolster this gives an example of someone with admin access being able to access the recall database. I'm confused.
- sunaookami 2y agoThe research is... kinda bad. Beaumont critzies that Microsoft stores the data... locally in an SQLite database? Because it's "easy to steal with malware" (just like your browser history, etc). Blew up in the media though...
- firebaze 2y agoWhat's the difference between stealing some random sqlite database and the history of OCRs of screenshots of anything ypu did on that PC?
- tssva 2y agoWhat's the difference between stealing the history of OCRs of screenshots on anything you did versus the ability to steal my tax/financial documents, business trade secrets, private letters, photos and other information commonly stored on a computer which can be taken in the same manner whether it is on Windows, Linux or macOS?
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoRelated and mentioned within: Recall: Stealing everything you've ever typed or viewed on your own Windows PC https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40540703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40540703
- gary_0 2y agoYour trust is not required. Like all the "features" Microsoft has forced on its users in the past, it will run on your (their) computer whether you trust them or not. Sure, a few nerds like me will ditch them for other OSes, but most Windows users are trapped, and Microsoft can do whatever it wants to them. Trust is moot when someone can abuse their position with no consequences. Windows has been the overwhelmingly dominant desktop OS for 30 years and it is unlikely to lose that position any time soon.
- wkat4242 2y agoIt's really refreshing and heartening to see the criticism on Microsoft in the comments there on ars. I work in a typical MS shop and as usual their evangelism is really strong. Everyone in the admin team is a hardcore Microsoft promoter, everywhere from internally on Yammer and externally on socials. They're probably fishing to get made MVP. But still, I have more self-respect. While they're all eagerly piling on Copilot studio I'm making my own bots with ollama. I don't like having my knowledge and experience locked behind someone else's brand and interests. I'm very critical and feel they are a mediocre company which mainly floats on being "just good enough to not pass over" because of their marketshare. The old "nobody got fired for buying IBM" thing. I don't think they're actually leaders in anything. They're just big so they're hard to get around. Every third party solution we've replaced with a MS alternative was more capable, more ethical and easier to use. It was always a step back to settle for the MS solution. Now again with the whole Copilot war they can do nothing wrong in the eyes of my colleagues. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one seeing this.
- noman-land 2y agoLocal LLM code autocomplete for the win. I use Twinny and LM Studio. It rocks.
- jqpabc123 2y agoIt is a privacy invasion scheme --- one that consumes both compute and storage bandwidth. Beyond this, the only feature I will be looking for is how to disable it.
- alphaomegacode 2y agoFor MS to even think Recall was a good idea is quite worrisome. Financial services, government departments (including things like criminal cases), healthcare - talk about a privacy and confidentiality nightmare. It should be interesting to hear the inside story about how this was championed inside the company and how it got the greenlight from the higher ups.
- llimos 2y agoIt rather involved being on the other side of this airtight hatchway.