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What could go wrong?

by keploy 2y ago

zer00eyz 2y ago
Someone could see a boob, or heaven forbid get offended.
- artninja1988 2y ago
  It seems like you haven't been on twitch for a while. The IRL section seems like a funnel for only fans for the model part
  - raizer88 2y ago
    I never understood why Twitch doesn't add a morality clause to prevent streamer to be adult content creator. It would instantly solve the problem.
    - rainonmoon 2y ago
      What problem is that? Why should other people's jobs forbid them from using a platform as long as they follow that platform's T&C's?
      - raizer88 2y ago
        Because 99.9% of twitch problems, and bad press, from the last few years are focused on people using Twitch as an onlyfan funnel. I would cut them out asap.
        rainonmoon 2y ago
        That just doesn't seem demonstrably true but I'd love to see some citations. My recollection is that Twitch's biggest issues have been regarding gambling and high-profile bans for misconduct e.g. DrDisrespect or nudity from streamers who don't even have OnlyFans accounts.
    - SXX 2y ago
      Might be also morality clause for those playing CS for terrorists too. /s
  - nubinetwork 2y ago
    Twitch seems quite content with being a front for onlyfans. They recently started blurring stream thumbnails, and have never cared about linktree/etc links despite them being used as a "hide it under the carpet" for onlyfans as well. (Direct links bad, a link to a link is okay though?) They may as well stop pretending and fully allow adult content, because it's pretty obvious that these streamers will keep pushing the limits until they get permabanned or twitch gives in to the "women streamers did nothing wrong" crowd.
    - vsnf 2y ago
      Honestly, why not. That would allow them to get more aggressive with enforcement for untagged streams, allow them to keep the obviously impression generating engine of the "Just Chatting" OnlyFans crowd, and maybe even with the weight of Amazon behind them, force the credit processors to lighten up a bit. Or it would be nice if they could, anyway. In reality with the age verification laws popping up in more places, they probably want to stay far away from the impending bureaucratic and legal nightmare.
      - nubinetwork 2y ago
        > In reality with the age verification laws popping up in more places, they probably want to stay far away from the impending bureaucratic and legal nightmare. One could argue they are already there, putting an unblur button on streams is basically the same as an "I'm over 18" button on adult sites. No verification, no auditing, the button does nothing but make it look like they care.
    - cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
      “Allowing adult content” is easier said than done for any organisation. This is incredibly common knowledge at this point. For example, orgs dealing with adult content need to work a little bit differently. Some employees may just be personally uncomfortable with being around “big titty goth gfs” all day every day, and their job might change to require it. Internal HR disputes can also become more complicated, as lines of appropriate behaviour can ever so slightly blur. I’m sure there are a hundred other things that I haven’t thought of. The part that’s common knowledge is that payment processing becomes orders of magnitude more precarious and complicated. Anyone who was paying attention to this area remembers what happened to OnlyFans itself recently, where they were running out of ways to make payments work. This is all ignoring what Twitch would be giving up by embracing this. What’d be the impact of the negative optics when it comes to parents? Do they stop letting their kids on Twitch? How important is that to their bottom line? What about the consoles / platforms that have a Twitch integration? Is that now seen as an endorsement of or gateway to adult content that the platform owners didn’t sign up for? Even if Twitch were actually able to pull that off, there’s a whole lot on the line, and certainly market segments that they know that they’d be saying goodbye to.
  - mrweasel 2y ago
    Not that I use Twitch much anymore, nor am I really bothered by see a random boob or dick every once in a while. What does annoy me is that the OnlyFans "models" see every other platform as means to push their OnlyFans subscriptions. How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators? We can't funding for ad free search, video stream or software development, but we have millions of men and women doing OnlyFans... I don't get it.
    - probably_wrong 2y ago
      > How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators? I'm willing to bet that 60% of OF creators, after accounting for the required equipment, are not making money. I'd also bet that at least 20% of those making money are from a country where $150 a month is a whole salary. And then there's the question of how many of them are being trafficked.
    - SXX 2y ago
      The Internet Is for Porn. People are hypocritical. There are a lot of religion fanatics, prude morality fighters and others activists fighting against "sins". But in the end of day they all come home and watch porn. And many pay for it directly or indirectly. And markets with most prude societies are usually ones with highest porn consumption. Humanity.
      - nubinetwork 2y ago
        There is a time and place for everything, I don't go to PH for gaming or programming content, and I don't think it's wrong to ask for the opposite.
        SXX 2y ago
        Poster above wondered where are money coming from and this was the answer. There are people who pay to webcam models on Twitch and this is the reason why Amazon allow it to happen. Money. Anyway I feel like power users are just more likely affected here and see soft porn on Twitch more often. To be honest I only ocasionally use Twitch, but last month I've been watching Trackmania there a lot. Like every day for several hours at least. And know what? I dont see any NSFW stuff whatsoever because I only watch few top streamers playing certain game. There simply no need to ever go to twitch frontpage or look at boobs. PS: As gamer I would really appreciate to just have NSFW toggle so everyone can watch whatever they want.
- demondemidi 2y ago
  Or be harassed. But that doesn’t matter when you’re in the majority, right?
  - zer00eyz 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - worthless-trash 2y ago
      Thanks, this is something that I believe too. You rarely 'solve' an issue by making it hidden. At least in the open, you can see the danger.
      - threeseed 2y ago
        This is simply not true. When you tolerate things such as child pornography, doxxing etc it makes the practice appear sanctioned and encourages others to join in. We saw this quite clearly with Reddit and Twitter.
        zer00eyz 2y ago
        Someone dressing up as a nazi and speaking isnt an actual crime. Bringing in actual crimes is false equivalence. So yes those things should have consequences. We have jury trials for a reason. Take the content down, send to the police and court. IF it isn't a crime then reinstate the user.
        viraptor 2y ago
        It's not an equivalence, but it's not unrelated given the number of people who committed actual crimes and were found to be very much involved in Nazi groups online. This just comes up again and again.
        worthless-trash 2y ago
        At what point did i say tolerate ?
- Hamuko 2y ago
  But if people see boobs, aren't Visa and MasterCard going to get offended?
56ue456uju 2y ago
[flagged]
- refulgentis 2y ago
  Anti-bullying is "DEI humanities" now? DEI humanities is a single noun? The Woke Right is ruining my comments sections.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
    It’s about ethics in video game streaming. /s
  - labster 2y ago
    Don’t feed the trolls, especially trolls with random string new accounts. Just downvote and move on with your day.
    - refulgentis 2y ago
      Believe it or not, this was the top comment and I was at -1 for a half hour. I like to think my gentle, humorous, highlighting of the surreality may have motivated fellow posters to notice it was a bit loose with the facts. (I've been working at this for a year or two, it's a tightrope)

What could go wrong?

by keploy 2y ago

What could go wrong?

zer00eyz 2y ago

Someone could see a boob, or heaven forbid get offended.

artninja1988 2y ago
It seems like you haven't been on twitch for a while. The IRL section seems like a funnel for only fans for the model part
- raizer88 2y ago
  I never understood why Twitch doesn't add a morality clause to prevent streamer to be adult content creator. It would instantly solve the problem.
  - rainonmoon 2y ago
    What problem is that? Why should other people's jobs forbid them from using a platform as long as they follow that platform's T&C's?
    - raizer88 2y ago
      Because 99.9% of twitch problems, and bad press, from the last few years are focused on people using Twitch as an onlyfan funnel. I would cut them out asap.
      - rainonmoon 2y ago
        That just doesn't seem demonstrably true but I'd love to see some citations. My recollection is that Twitch's biggest issues have been regarding gambling and high-profile bans for misconduct e.g. DrDisrespect or nudity from streamers who don't even have OnlyFans accounts.
  - SXX 2y ago
    Might be also morality clause for those playing CS for terrorists too. /s
- nubinetwork 2y ago
  Twitch seems quite content with being a front for onlyfans. They recently started blurring stream thumbnails, and have never cared about linktree/etc links despite them being used as a "hide it under the carpet" for onlyfans as well. (Direct links bad, a link to a link is okay though?) They may as well stop pretending and fully allow adult content, because it's pretty obvious that these streamers will keep pushing the limits until they get permabanned or twitch gives in to the "women streamers did nothing wrong" crowd.
  - vsnf 2y ago
    Honestly, why not. That would allow them to get more aggressive with enforcement for untagged streams, allow them to keep the obviously impression generating engine of the "Just Chatting" OnlyFans crowd, and maybe even with the weight of Amazon behind them, force the credit processors to lighten up a bit. Or it would be nice if they could, anyway. In reality with the age verification laws popping up in more places, they probably want to stay far away from the impending bureaucratic and legal nightmare.
    - nubinetwork 2y ago
      > In reality with the age verification laws popping up in more places, they probably want to stay far away from the impending bureaucratic and legal nightmare. One could argue they are already there, putting an unblur button on streams is basically the same as an "I'm over 18" button on adult sites. No verification, no auditing, the button does nothing but make it look like they care.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
    “Allowing adult content” is easier said than done for any organisation. This is incredibly common knowledge at this point. For example, orgs dealing with adult content need to work a little bit differently. Some employees may just be personally uncomfortable with being around “big titty goth gfs” all day every day, and their job might change to require it. Internal HR disputes can also become more complicated, as lines of appropriate behaviour can ever so slightly blur. I’m sure there are a hundred other things that I haven’t thought of. The part that’s common knowledge is that payment processing becomes orders of magnitude more precarious and complicated. Anyone who was paying attention to this area remembers what happened to OnlyFans itself recently, where they were running out of ways to make payments work. This is all ignoring what Twitch would be giving up by embracing this. What’d be the impact of the negative optics when it comes to parents? Do they stop letting their kids on Twitch? How important is that to their bottom line? What about the consoles / platforms that have a Twitch integration? Is that now seen as an endorsement of or gateway to adult content that the platform owners didn’t sign up for? Even if Twitch were actually able to pull that off, there’s a whole lot on the line, and certainly market segments that they know that they’d be saying goodbye to.
- mrweasel 2y ago
  Not that I use Twitch much anymore, nor am I really bothered by see a random boob or dick every once in a while. What does annoy me is that the OnlyFans "models" see every other platform as means to push their OnlyFans subscriptions. How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators? We can't funding for ad free search, video stream or software development, but we have millions of men and women doing OnlyFans... I don't get it.
  - probably_wrong 2y ago
    > How the hell are the so much money flying around that it can finance that many OnlyFans creators? I'm willing to bet that 60% of OF creators, after accounting for the required equipment, are not making money. I'd also bet that at least 20% of those making money are from a country where $150 a month is a whole salary. And then there's the question of how many of them are being trafficked.
  - SXX 2y ago
    The Internet Is for Porn. People are hypocritical. There are a lot of religion fanatics, prude morality fighters and others activists fighting against "sins". But in the end of day they all come home and watch porn. And many pay for it directly or indirectly. And markets with most prude societies are usually ones with highest porn consumption. Humanity.
    - nubinetwork 2y ago
      There is a time and place for everything, I don't go to PH for gaming or programming content, and I don't think it's wrong to ask for the opposite.
      - SXX 2y ago
        Poster above wondered where are money coming from and this was the answer. There are people who pay to webcam models on Twitch and this is the reason why Amazon allow it to happen. Money. Anyway I feel like power users are just more likely affected here and see soft porn on Twitch more often. To be honest I only ocasionally use Twitch, but last month I've been watching Trackmania there a lot. Like every day for several hours at least. And know what? I dont see any NSFW stuff whatsoever because I only watch few top streamers playing certain game. There simply no need to ever go to twitch frontpage or look at boobs. PS: As gamer I would really appreciate to just have NSFW toggle so everyone can watch whatever they want.
demondemidi 2y ago
Or be harassed. But that doesn’t matter when you’re in the majority, right?
- zer00eyz 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - worthless-trash 2y ago
    Thanks, this is something that I believe too. You rarely 'solve' an issue by making it hidden. At least in the open, you can see the danger.
    - threeseed 2y ago
      This is simply not true. When you tolerate things such as child pornography, doxxing etc it makes the practice appear sanctioned and encourages others to join in. We saw this quite clearly with Reddit and Twitter.
      - zer00eyz 2y ago
        Someone dressing up as a nazi and speaking isnt an actual crime. Bringing in actual crimes is false equivalence. So yes those things should have consequences. We have jury trials for a reason. Take the content down, send to the police and court. IF it isn't a crime then reinstate the user.
        viraptor 2y ago
        It's not an equivalence, but it's not unrelated given the number of people who committed actual crimes and were found to be very much involved in Nazi groups online. This just comes up again and again.
      - worthless-trash 2y ago
        At what point did i say tolerate ?
Hamuko 2y ago
But if people see boobs, aren't Visa and MasterCard going to get offended?

56ue456uju 2y ago

[flagged]

refulgentis 2y ago
Anti-bullying is "DEI humanities" now? DEI humanities is a single noun? The Woke Right is ruining my comments sections.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  It’s about ethics in video game streaming. /s
- labster 2y ago
  Don’t feed the trolls, especially trolls with random string new accounts. Just downvote and move on with your day.
  - refulgentis 2y ago
    Believe it or not, this was the top comment and I was at -1 for a half hour. I like to think my gentle, humorous, highlighting of the surreality may have motivated fellow posters to notice it was a bit loose with the facts. (I've been working at this for a year or two, it's a tightrope)