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I use Firefox and have never understood why so many people use a browser made by a for profit company

by asicsarecool 2y ago

tssva 2y ago
Firefox is made by a for profit company.
- leereeves 2y ago
  The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit organization.
  - mariusor 2y ago
    The vast majority of people working on Firefox are employees of the Mozilla Corporation which is a for profit subsidiary of the Foundation. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/organizations/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/organizations...
    - asadotzler 2y ago
      the foundation owns the corporation and can dissolve it if it turns evil. There's no similar public-good outfit that can dissolve Google.
      - tssva 2y ago
        That has not bearing upon whether the Mozilla Corporation is for profit or not. It is for profit and the original statement was regarding a lack of understanding why someone would use a browser made by a for profit company. Firefox is factually made by a for profit company. One whose major source of income is the nefarious Google. I'm also afraid how this usually turns out is the for-profit part takes over the non-profit part. See OpenAI or just about any major national non-profit in the US.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - lenkite 2y ago
        No, this effectively means that the corporation can do evil and will always point to its owner being non-profit as a justification for doing more evil. The corpo gets a "kind face" behind which it can do dirty deeds. Inclusion of Pocket in Firefox is a representative example - included despite overwhelming community objections for more profit!
cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
Not everyone has the same goals, priorities, and values as you.
metadat 2y ago
Marketing is a helluva drug.
boristsr 2y ago
I think this comment misses just how big of a leap chrome was over the competition for at least 5 years. The speed and stability improvements were light-years ahead. It was finally able to break the IE6 stranglehold and quickly overtook Firefox's adoption rate. After that it's just inertia, it's the head of the pack because it's the head of the pack and people already use it. To convince people to change generally you can't just offer the same or similar performance and features, it has to be a worthwhile reward for the user to bother. This change which just might be crippling enough for adblockers may be enough to get people to switch.
jocoda 2y ago
Be nice if there was a way to embed FireFox. It's the only reason I will still use Chromium (Cef) and Edge (WebView2) once V2 is no longer supported.

I use Firefox and have never understood why so many people use a browser made by a for profit company

tssva 2y ago

Firefox is made by a for profit company.

leereeves 2y ago
The Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit organization.
- mariusor 2y ago
  The vast majority of people working on Firefox are employees of the Mozilla Corporation which is a for profit subsidiary of the Foundation. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/organizations/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/organizations...
  - asadotzler 2y ago
    the foundation owns the corporation and can dissolve it if it turns evil. There's no similar public-good outfit that can dissolve Google.
    - tssva 2y ago
      That has not bearing upon whether the Mozilla Corporation is for profit or not. It is for profit and the original statement was regarding a lack of understanding why someone would use a browser made by a for profit company. Firefox is factually made by a for profit company. One whose major source of income is the nefarious Google. I'm also afraid how this usually turns out is the for-profit part takes over the non-profit part. See OpenAI or just about any major national non-profit in the US.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - lenkite 2y ago
      No, this effectively means that the corporation can do evil and will always point to its owner being non-profit as a justification for doing more evil. The corpo gets a "kind face" behind which it can do dirty deeds. Inclusion of Pocket in Firefox is a representative example - included despite overwhelming community objections for more profit!

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago

Not everyone has the same goals, priorities, and values as you.

metadat 2y ago

Marketing is a helluva drug.

boristsr 2y ago

I think this comment misses just how big of a leap chrome was over the competition for at least 5 years. The speed and stability improvements were light-years ahead. It was finally able to break the IE6 stranglehold and quickly overtook Firefox's adoption rate. After that it's just inertia, it's the head of the pack because it's the head of the pack and people already use it. To convince people to change generally you can't just offer the same or similar performance and features, it has to be a worthwhile reward for the user to bother. This change which just might be crippling enough for adblockers may be enough to get people to switch.

jocoda 2y ago

Be nice if there was a way to embed FireFox. It's the only reason I will still use Chromium (Cef) and Edge (WebView2) once V2 is no longer supported.