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Professional repairs are the ones lobbying for right to repair laws? Do you have proof for this outlandish claim?

londons_explore 2y ago
The most vocal person behind the right to repair movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npd_xDuNi9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npd_xDuNi9k Oh, and he runs a professional repair shop...
- stavros 2y ago
  You kind of scuttled your own argument there by pointing to the exact opposite of what's being described upthread.
- pretendgeneer 2y ago
  Louis is outspokenly against professional certification for repairs...
- blensor 2y ago
  Saying Louis Rossmann is fighting for the right to repair while trying to keep individuals from repairing their own devices is like saying Linus Torvalds created Linux to keep people from getting the idea to build their own operating system. Rossmann is fighting the good fight and also often doing videos showing how a repair actually works. Most famously a video where he showed that a certain type of common Macbook screen repair is just a simple bent pin that he even repaired for free while the official Apple repair would have cost hundreds of dollars
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    But Linus scales to all Linux recipients. Repair laws can and will be lobbied into submission.
  - pembrook 2y ago
    I think the internet has broken people’s brains. Yes, he’s a really nice guy and likable and I enjoy his videos too. But you cannot ignore the fact that he’s highly financially incentivized to hold the positions he does, given he both owns a repair shop and probably makes even more money talking about repairing things on YouTube.
    - blensor 2y ago
      Can't both things be true at the same time? * He is fighting an honest fight for the right to repair * His business is benefiting from right to repair laws For example when he supported the right to repair for farming equipment, I hardly believe he did that for his repair shop bottom line
    - viraptor 2y ago
      They're not just videos "about repairing". He's teaching people about defects, finding them, and how to repair them. He's selling tools used for repairs, even though someone can start a competing business. It's like you're being sceptical of teachers because they're getting paid.
    - ivanhoe 2y ago
      > I think the internet has broken people’s brains. I agree, but what I see as a result is this paranoia that there's a conspiracy and something sinister in absolutely everything.
    - Pingk 2y ago
      Why do you think he set up repair.wiki? It's a free resource he started to provide diagnostic and repair guides for a wide range of electronics. He's very transparent about wanting people to be able to repair their own devices and his actions clearly back that up. These are not the actions of someone being protective of their skills to make more money imo.
  - theshrike79 2y ago
    The stuff that Rossmann repairs are "simple" because he has the tools and expertise to do so. It's very much a "$1 for the screw and $999 to know where to put it" type of situation. Does everyone realistically expect Apple to have a Rossmann-level repair person[0] in every one of their 528 Apple Stores to do these "simple fixes" with professional gear. Or is it actually more economical for them to build the equipment for swapping whole boards so simply that anyone with 30 minutes of training can do it. (This is the gear they rent to you when you want to self-repair btw) [0] 3+ more likely so that they can have vacations and sick days too
    - blensor 2y ago
      I didn't argue that to shame on Apple. I can understand why that is done ( especially with warranty extensions ) What I am arguing is that there may be a much cheaper ("easier" for the person who knows what to do) way to repair it if you don't care about the warranty but that path can currently be blocked by the manufacturer. For example: We had a deadline for submitting our final game build last year and my laptop where I had everything setup died a day before the deadline. I went to a local electronics shop, bought a different laptop, removed the SSD from the broken one put it in the new one and was backup and running 30 minutes after returning home. I would not have cared about warranty there, only about the speed of getting back up and running to meet the deadline.
    - londons_explore 2y ago
      Most companies do a simple board swap for the customer, but then send the faulty boards back to the factory to be 'refurbished' - ie. run through the automated test rig and check every function is fully working. By doing that, an unnecessary board swap is 'free' to the manufacturer - which makes diagnosing problems in the store far easier - just keep swapping parts till the issue is resolved. When those boards end up back at the factory, they'll pass the test immediately and be able to be sent right out again for another repair. For boards that don't pass the test, sort them by the failure symptoms and suddenly repair becomes far easier - "these 50 need a new power supply IC, pay someone $25/hour on the rework station to do that, costing $3/board labour and $3/board in components".
- rlupi 2y ago
  He is in US. Thinking he has any influence lobbying the EU parliament on right to repair is bogus. This EU initiative comes from the circular economy action plan, which started in 2015, more than the US or global consumers' right to repair actions. https://environment.ec.europa.eu/strategy/circular-economy-action-plan_en https://environment.ec.europa.eu/strategy/circular-economy-a...
- tveyben 2y ago
  Then why is he sharing so many videos teaching/demonstration/commenting about how to fix Mac’s so you can do it yourself…?
- Etherlord87 2y ago
  Fair, that's one. You need one more to make it plural.
Aleklart 2y ago
Luis Rossmann is a professional repair shop owner is known to lobby right to repair laws.

The most vocal person behind the right to repair movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npd_xDuNi9k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npd_xDuNi9k Oh, and he runs a professional repair shop...

stavros 2y ago
You kind of scuttled your own argument there by pointing to the exact opposite of what's being described upthread.
pretendgeneer 2y ago
Louis is outspokenly against professional certification for repairs...
blensor 2y ago
Saying Louis Rossmann is fighting for the right to repair while trying to keep individuals from repairing their own devices is like saying Linus Torvalds created Linux to keep people from getting the idea to build their own operating system. Rossmann is fighting the good fight and also often doing videos showing how a repair actually works. Most famously a video where he showed that a certain type of common Macbook screen repair is just a simple bent pin that he even repaired for free while the official Apple repair would have cost hundreds of dollars
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  But Linus scales to all Linux recipients. Repair laws can and will be lobbied into submission.
- pembrook 2y ago
  I think the internet has broken people’s brains. Yes, he’s a really nice guy and likable and I enjoy his videos too. But you cannot ignore the fact that he’s highly financially incentivized to hold the positions he does, given he both owns a repair shop and probably makes even more money talking about repairing things on YouTube.
  - blensor 2y ago
    Can't both things be true at the same time? * He is fighting an honest fight for the right to repair * His business is benefiting from right to repair laws For example when he supported the right to repair for farming equipment, I hardly believe he did that for his repair shop bottom line
  - viraptor 2y ago
    They're not just videos "about repairing". He's teaching people about defects, finding them, and how to repair them. He's selling tools used for repairs, even though someone can start a competing business. It's like you're being sceptical of teachers because they're getting paid.
  - ivanhoe 2y ago
    > I think the internet has broken people’s brains. I agree, but what I see as a result is this paranoia that there's a conspiracy and something sinister in absolutely everything.
  - Pingk 2y ago
    Why do you think he set up repair.wiki? It's a free resource he started to provide diagnostic and repair guides for a wide range of electronics. He's very transparent about wanting people to be able to repair their own devices and his actions clearly back that up. These are not the actions of someone being protective of their skills to make more money imo.
- theshrike79 2y ago
  The stuff that Rossmann repairs are "simple" because he has the tools and expertise to do so. It's very much a "$1 for the screw and $999 to know where to put it" type of situation. Does everyone realistically expect Apple to have a Rossmann-level repair person[0] in every one of their 528 Apple Stores to do these "simple fixes" with professional gear. Or is it actually more economical for them to build the equipment for swapping whole boards so simply that anyone with 30 minutes of training can do it. (This is the gear they rent to you when you want to self-repair btw) [0] 3+ more likely so that they can have vacations and sick days too
  - blensor 2y ago
    I didn't argue that to shame on Apple. I can understand why that is done ( especially with warranty extensions ) What I am arguing is that there may be a much cheaper ("easier" for the person who knows what to do) way to repair it if you don't care about the warranty but that path can currently be blocked by the manufacturer. For example: We had a deadline for submitting our final game build last year and my laptop where I had everything setup died a day before the deadline. I went to a local electronics shop, bought a different laptop, removed the SSD from the broken one put it in the new one and was backup and running 30 minutes after returning home. I would not have cared about warranty there, only about the speed of getting back up and running to meet the deadline.
  - londons_explore 2y ago
    Most companies do a simple board swap for the customer, but then send the faulty boards back to the factory to be 'refurbished' - ie. run through the automated test rig and check every function is fully working. By doing that, an unnecessary board swap is 'free' to the manufacturer - which makes diagnosing problems in the store far easier - just keep swapping parts till the issue is resolved. When those boards end up back at the factory, they'll pass the test immediately and be able to be sent right out again for another repair. For boards that don't pass the test, sort them by the failure symptoms and suddenly repair becomes far easier - "these 50 need a new power supply IC, pay someone $25/hour on the rework station to do that, costing $3/board labour and $3/board in components".
rlupi 2y ago
He is in US. Thinking he has any influence lobbying the EU parliament on right to repair is bogus. This EU initiative comes from the circular economy action plan, which started in 2015, more than the US or global consumers' right to repair actions. https://environment.ec.europa.eu/strategy/circular-economy-action-plan_en https://environment.ec.europa.eu/strategy/circular-economy-a...
tveyben 2y ago
Then why is he sharing so many videos teaching/demonstration/commenting about how to fix Mac’s so you can do it yourself…?
Etherlord87 2y ago
Fair, that's one. You need one more to make it plural.

Aleklart 2y ago

Luis Rossmann is a professional repair shop owner is known to lobby right to repair laws.