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The EU governments will ruin the lives of random innocent people with buggy AI. Look what happened yesterday in the UK: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/u

The EU governments will ruin the lives of random innocent people with buggy AI. Look what happened yesterday in the UK: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-woman-mistaken-as-shoplifter-by-facewatch-now-she-s-banned-from-all-stores-with-facial-recognition-tech/ar-BB1naMzD?ocid=BingNewsSerp https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-woman-mistaken-as-s...

Rinzler89 2y ago
UK is not EU anymore. And UK was a surveillance state since a long time now. Luckily here on the mainland we don't have these issues (yet).
- gizajob 2y ago
  Are you sure about that?? The EU is about to swing politically quite far to the right in a couple of weeks time. Chat control is just the beginning.
  - jokethrowaway 2y ago
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    - Fauntleroy 2y ago
      It's a bit of a stretch to suggest both sides are "socialist" bastards, isn't it?
      - gizajob 2y ago
        The EU is pretty weird ideologically I think. It somehow manages to neutrally combine every ideological position into one while cancelling them out somehow. It’s like centrist, communist, and strangely fascist while being warmly benign and benevolent all at the same time. But beyond this, it’s clear that its only ideological position has become “more EU power centred on opaque bodies in Brussels, whatever it is we just need more EU. We are blind to anything that is outside of that. Speak to the unelected president of Europe if you don’t like it”.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    I was already looking for how to get out of the UK with the Investigatory Powers Act 2016, before the Brexit referendum, owing to glaring deficiencies such as the Welsh Ambulance Service being on the list of government agencies which have the right to access, without a warrant, the preceding six months of internet connection records for anyone who isn't a lawyer or a Member of Parliament.
    - gizajob 2y ago
      You should have just run pron in a background tab 24/7 to give the person checking a really bad day.
      - ben_w 2y ago
        The evidence given to the committee had a different, but equally relevant, example about how completely pointless the entire concept was for their stated goal. Something like: Govt.: "Imagine a teenager goes missing, we can use these records to find if they were posting on Twitter!" Expert testimony: "The way these things work, their phones will connect to Twitter hundreds of times each day even if the person themselves doesn't." The government may well be dumb enough that you were correct to write: > the person But the assumption of their incompetence is only wise when asking if they'll do something you want, not if asking if they'll do something you hate.
  - ralusek 2y ago
    Censorship and monitoring is not something I would attribute to the right within the last 10-15 years. In the US, things like the Patriot Act are bipartisan. Otherwise, things regarding moderation/censorship/tracking tend to have far more favorability among the modern left leaning governments.
  - TacticalCoder 2y ago
    > The EU is about to swing politically quite far to the right in a couple of weeks time. Chat control is just the beginning. Not that I disagree with you but two things... First chat control is put in place by regular political parties, not far-right ones. Then it's the regular parties, by trampling with their boots on the face of EU citizens, imposing them things they didn't ask for, that made EU citizens decide to vote far-right. I don't know if the far-right is going to win but many of those who are going to vote far-right are going to do it because they've seen tens of millions of african and middle-eastern refugees imposed on to them. We're talking about a sizeable percentage of the entire EU population now being composed of refugees, arriving illegally in the EU (for the first time ever in 2024 there are going to be more refugees coming in in a year than babies born from EU parents). Many in the EU simply cannot stand anymore to see their countries becoming third-world countries in a timeframe of mere years.
    - gizajob 2y ago
      Yeah… not good. Particularly for a political organisation set up to counter and repair the damage caused by fascism. On both sides of the political spectrum, politicians act as if society simply doesn’t exist. Plus even if it’s not far right, it’s moving rightward as a response to the overarching and opaque system of governance that has been put in place that common people cannot do anything about. It’s one of the primary reasons for Brexit, and in that case the EU chose to see it as simply “a British problem” rather than taking pause to think whether there are serious systemic flaws in the EU that contributed to it happening. So now, as usual, Britain is doing the exact opposite to the rest of Europe and about to turn left wing and socialist for at least a decade, and staying out of the fight that will eventually erupt inside the EU, in order to be the ultimate peace keeper who’s job it is to resolve it.
    - avh02 2y ago
      Right, it's EU parents or refugee parents. Nobody else lives here like actual, highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import before all the "natives" retire.
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  AI is ubiquitously bad across borders though. And here the EU is mandating bad AI like Facewatcher. Do any of these regulations do a single thing to defend against or prevent these kinds of AI-based-governance legal assaults? I highly doubt it.
- hulitu 2y ago
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Rinzler89 2y ago

UK is not EU anymore. And UK was a surveillance state since a long time now. Luckily here on the mainland we don't have these issues (yet).

gizajob 2y ago
Are you sure about that?? The EU is about to swing politically quite far to the right in a couple of weeks time. Chat control is just the beginning.
- jokethrowaway 2y ago
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  - Fauntleroy 2y ago
    It's a bit of a stretch to suggest both sides are "socialist" bastards, isn't it?
    - gizajob 2y ago
      The EU is pretty weird ideologically I think. It somehow manages to neutrally combine every ideological position into one while cancelling them out somehow. It’s like centrist, communist, and strangely fascist while being warmly benign and benevolent all at the same time. But beyond this, it’s clear that its only ideological position has become “more EU power centred on opaque bodies in Brussels, whatever it is we just need more EU. We are blind to anything that is outside of that. Speak to the unelected president of Europe if you don’t like it”.
- ben_w 2y ago
  I was already looking for how to get out of the UK with the Investigatory Powers Act 2016, before the Brexit referendum, owing to glaring deficiencies such as the Welsh Ambulance Service being on the list of government agencies which have the right to access, without a warrant, the preceding six months of internet connection records for anyone who isn't a lawyer or a Member of Parliament.
  - gizajob 2y ago
    You should have just run pron in a background tab 24/7 to give the person checking a really bad day.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      The evidence given to the committee had a different, but equally relevant, example about how completely pointless the entire concept was for their stated goal. Something like: Govt.: "Imagine a teenager goes missing, we can use these records to find if they were posting on Twitter!" Expert testimony: "The way these things work, their phones will connect to Twitter hundreds of times each day even if the person themselves doesn't." The government may well be dumb enough that you were correct to write: > the person But the assumption of their incompetence is only wise when asking if they'll do something you want, not if asking if they'll do something you hate.
- ralusek 2y ago
  Censorship and monitoring is not something I would attribute to the right within the last 10-15 years. In the US, things like the Patriot Act are bipartisan. Otherwise, things regarding moderation/censorship/tracking tend to have far more favorability among the modern left leaning governments.
- TacticalCoder 2y ago
  > The EU is about to swing politically quite far to the right in a couple of weeks time. Chat control is just the beginning. Not that I disagree with you but two things... First chat control is put in place by regular political parties, not far-right ones. Then it's the regular parties, by trampling with their boots on the face of EU citizens, imposing them things they didn't ask for, that made EU citizens decide to vote far-right. I don't know if the far-right is going to win but many of those who are going to vote far-right are going to do it because they've seen tens of millions of african and middle-eastern refugees imposed on to them. We're talking about a sizeable percentage of the entire EU population now being composed of refugees, arriving illegally in the EU (for the first time ever in 2024 there are going to be more refugees coming in in a year than babies born from EU parents). Many in the EU simply cannot stand anymore to see their countries becoming third-world countries in a timeframe of mere years.
  - gizajob 2y ago
    Yeah… not good. Particularly for a political organisation set up to counter and repair the damage caused by fascism. On both sides of the political spectrum, politicians act as if society simply doesn’t exist. Plus even if it’s not far right, it’s moving rightward as a response to the overarching and opaque system of governance that has been put in place that common people cannot do anything about. It’s one of the primary reasons for Brexit, and in that case the EU chose to see it as simply “a British problem” rather than taking pause to think whether there are serious systemic flaws in the EU that contributed to it happening. So now, as usual, Britain is doing the exact opposite to the rest of Europe and about to turn left wing and socialist for at least a decade, and staying out of the fight that will eventually erupt inside the EU, in order to be the ultimate peace keeper who’s job it is to resolve it.
  - avh02 2y ago
    Right, it's EU parents or refugee parents. Nobody else lives here like actual, highly qualified people that countries like Germany are begging to import before all the "natives" retire.
    - Rinzler89 2y ago
jauntywundrkind 2y ago
AI is ubiquitously bad across borders though. And here the EU is mandating bad AI like Facewatcher. Do any of these regulations do a single thing to defend against or prevent these kinds of AI-based-governance legal assaults? I highly doubt it.
hulitu 2y ago
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