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Being the designated "tech" person for my extended family and friends circle, I don't think I could recommend this to any of them because of the privacy nightma
by drevil-v2 2y ago
Being the designated "tech" person for my extended family and friends circle, I don't think I could recommend this to any of them because of the privacy nightmare.
At least with Apple you have a single vendor who is vertically integrated and makes a huge song and dance about data privacy. Even if you discount their PR and marketing spin, IMHO you are still miles ahead of the likes of Microsoft + (pick one) HP, Asus, Lenovo and the rest of them.
There is no way I would trust any of them not to take advantage of the data gold mine.
- kemayo 2y agoThe way Microsoft keeps pushing ads into the start menu doesn't make me incredibly trusting here, no...
- mandibeet 2y agoIt's a pity that sometimes preferences and comfort are being overlooked in favor of corporate interests(
- resource_waste 2y ago>At least with Apple > Even if you discount their PR and marketing spin, It doesnt seem like you were able to do that.
- lolinder 2y agoAre they actually collecting new data to enable these features? Or is all of this data collected no matter what version of Windows you have installed? It seems to me that what you just said is an argument against Windows in general, not against these new features.
- onemoresoop 2y agoIt's probably easier for MS to just collect that no matter what so I doubt they'd stop themselves from doing it.
- rogerthis 2y agoAs it has been said so many times, tech privacy aware people are the minority. It won't make any difference for my non-tech neighbor (in fact, he will probably be delighted if it helps him with something).
- grugagag 2y agoNot if you tell them beware, all this will be used against you in some way in the future.
- frde_me 2y agoThe problem is that there's no concrete thing to point to as to why this would be used against them in the future (I agree with the point, but it's just not trivial to make people aware of this)
- ptero 2y agoUnless there is a specific, believable, near term risk people will just ignore it. Most would submit genetic material to 23andme and similar organizations with no restriction on its use. Yes, if could theoretically backfire not just on them, but also on their kids. But unless they see it as a near-term likelihood they will not care enough. My 2c.
- grugagag 2y agoWell, that implies arrogance on their part. And there’s some blame from us too for not warning them enough I guess.
- pquki4 2y agoDoesn't the fact that lots of people use Facebook daily despite the scandals say something? It's abundantly clear that most people don't care about how their data are used. Here "most" means people outside HN.
- onemoresoop 2y ago
- nvtop 2y agoThe whole point of NPU-enabled devices is to run models locally, so they your data never leaves your device. This is a huge privacy win.
- papichulo2023 2y agoThe whole point is making the consumers pay the cost of running LLMs (both in hardware and power), not your privacy, they will still get your data to train better models.
- jsheard 2y agoAlthough the line can get fuzzy when they want to ship a feature that's too big to run locally. Android has run into that, some of the AI features run locally, some of them run on Googles servers, and some of them might run locally or on Googles servers depending on which device you happen to have.
- jazzyjackson 2y agoThey're trying to have it both ways and it's not clear to me as a consumer what is local and what is cloud. (As a developer, I can tell they're doing a few things locally like OCR and webcam background blur on the NPU, but they are not running ChatGPT on an a laptop anytime soon)
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- wmf 2y agoThe whole point of enshittification is that companies don't need your data but they take it anyway.
- cjk2 2y agoI was speaking to someone at the weekend about this. She said "but why would I need this"? I suspect most people aren't putting AI into any purchasing decisions. Most people really actually don't give a shit about it. They just want things to work exactly how they did before without people moving stuff around because they just want to get stuff done.
- shmerl 2y agoPrivacy oriented users are already using Linux.
- dymk 2y agoAs a desktop operating sytem? Not the ones that value their time.
- shmerl 2y agoYes, as a desktop operating system. Nothing else respects privacy really that would require less time. Or may be you have a suggestion?