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BenQ releases 3:2 aspect ratio 28 inch 4K+ monitor designed for programmers
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- chollida1 2y agoI've read through this a few times and I'm still not sure what makes this specific for coders or how its different from other 4k monitors. Can someone explain what makes this monitor better for the average coder?
- throwaway4good 2y agoI have a 3/2 28” monitor - while it looks nice - the ratio really doesn’t make much of a difference.
- sva_ 2y ago3:2 aspect ratio
- an_ko 2y ago...Why is that better for programming than other ratios?
- sv123 2y agoLess vertical scrolling it seems.
- staticautomatic 2y agoVertical monitor orientation
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- refulgentis 2y agoFor every unit of height, there is 1.5 units of width. A traditional monitor is 16:9: that means for every unit of height, there is 1.77 units of height. It sounds like a small difference, but it means a ~15% increase in height. ex. my Visual Studio Code would show 70 lines of code instead of 60. This is an especially good tradeoff for code, because we tradtional line wrap at ~80 characters, which leaves large swaths of width available.
- hnbear 2y agoMaybe I’m old, but traditionally monitors where 4:3 until mid to late 2000s when they shifted to 16:10 then 16:9.
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- refulgentis 2y agoRight on my cusp, I still remember salivating for one of those straight from the Jetsons 4:3 LCDs (1997? 9? Only 9/11, so I may have been seeing them late / out of context). First 16:9 was probably 2006...got the first ever MacBook Pro as my graduation gift It informed some conception I had of the iPad as a platonic ideal (first 4:3 monitor in years)
- 6th 2y agoI use my Samsung SyncMaster 245B as my daily driver - it's almost old enough to drive!
- tivert 2y ago> Maybe I’m old, but traditionally monitors where 4:3 until mid to late 2000s when they shifted to 16:10 then 16:9. They were, but I recall 4:3 monitors lacking the width to comfortably accommodate things like IDE project views AND code simultaneously. I believe 16:10 was chose as a nice aspect ratio for productivity, but 16:9 was chosen for movies/TV, and economies of scale and cost reduction impulses meant they took over even in areas where they were a stupidly poor choice (observe all the laptops with massively fat bezels [1]). [1] For example: https://www.pcgamer.com/asus-new-rog-strix-laptops-deliver-a-thinner-bezel-144hz-ips-screen-and-improved-cooling/ https://www.pcgamer.com/asus-new-rog-strix-laptops-deliver-a..., https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-AORUS-1920x1080-i5-12500H-9MF-E2US583SH/dp/B0C8W4N4TM https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-AORUS-1920x1080-i5-12500H-9M...
- tivert 2y ago> ...Why is that better for programming than other ratios? The wideness of 16:9 means those monitors have too little vertical real-estate.
- cherioo 2y agoIt’s 3:2, which historically people said it’s “better” for coding because it allows more vertical space. Personally I find bigger monitor available today is more than enough vertically. Horizontal space is actually quite useful to be able to put things side by side.
- kelnos 2y agoThe 3:2 aspect ratio gives you more vertical space than a 16:9 ratio or similar. The good-for-coders idea is that you can see more "pages" of code without scrolling, but also without meaningfully decreasing the length of lines you can see, since it's still plenty wide. The Framework 13" laptop has a 3:2 screen. After almost 2 years using it, I... kinda like it? I think I would agree that I can see more code per screen. But on the occasion when I'm using another laptop, with a more standard 16:9 or 16:10 screen, it feels more "normal" somehow.
- hydrox24 2y agoIn theory, the following things: The 3:2 ratio suits reading and editing text, because our eyes have trouble following in lines of text that are too long (think about how a paperback page is shaped, or A4 or letter paper). The counter-argument is that 16:9 is actually better because it's functionally two 8:9 panels if you split the screen. The light on the back reduces eye-strain in dark environments by lighting a wall (if there is one) behind the screen. Less reveolutionary is automatic brightness adjustment and the dark/light controls, but they might be nice. It basically just folds into one package a couple of things that are good practice for text editing and reading.
- jart 2y ago3:4 is a better ratio for reading and editing text. That's what Xerox chose for their Alto workstations.
- saurik 2y agoThis is probably what you mean, but I wasn't sure and then did the math: and if you take two 3:4s and put them side by side (as is being contemplated with 16:9 being split into two 8:9 panels) you get 6:4 aka 3:2 (so, this monitor). Frankly, though, while I probably agree for "reading", with my "coding" I'm very happy taking 16:10 (which is a pretty standard monitor size and I want to say is much more common than 16:9, at least on laptops) and splitting it into two 8:10s (which is itself a pretty familiar aspect ratio).
- ipsum2 2y agoI personally prefer ultra wide monitors for coding, can have split windows for multiple files, web browser, terminal, etc. I don't know why people like 3:2.
- brotchie 2y agoYeah. I usually code with a 3 column, 2 row split view on a 4k. Perfect for component.ts, component.ng.html, component.scss, and component_test.ts all to be open at once...
- lylejantzi3rd 2y agoAll of the ultrawides I've looked at have poor text clarity. That's one of the things this monitor boasts, but there's no real measurement for text clarity. RTings.com is the only site I know of that has a measurement for it. https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g9-g95na-s49ag95 https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g...
- Tsiklon 2y agoLooks like they’re using the same panels as the Huawei Mateview. Only these ones are VESA mountable. 3:2 at such high resolution, for me is a great experience. I’ll maybe grab one for my work desk to run vertically as I can’t do the same with the Mateview
- MrApathy 2y agoObviously only an issue for Americans, but the Huawei Mateview isn't widely available due to the ban on Huawei products. It could be imported grey-market, but only at slightly inflated prices and without any warranty protection. The BenQ monitor will be commercially available in the US.
- Tsiklon 2y agoA fair point, I had forgotten about that ban
- alx_the_new_guy 2y agoEverything is VESA mountable if you try hard enough and can get 3d printed parts. Source: my Mateviews are
- OccamsMirror 2y ago60hz refresh rate? That's unfortunate. Love the 3:2 aspect ratio. But I would expect at least 100 - 120hz these days.
- sva_ 2y agoHave to be able to see my compiler errors come in at true speed
- xcv123 2y agoVast majority of 120+ Hz displays are 1080p only. That's for gaming. 4k at 120 Hz will need DisplayPort 2.0 and a powerful GPU to provide that bandwidth (40 Gbit/sec). Practically useless for its intended purpose (coding). Will increase the cost for no benefit. Waste of money.
- lylejantzi3rd 2y ago4k@120hz is pretty common now. I recently got an LG UltraGear. I can drive it with a usb-c to DP cable with my MBP M1. Not that expensive. Great text clarity. Personally, I enjoy the higher refresh rate when coding.
- xcv123 2y agoThat's a good monitor but it's relatively low DPI (way too big at 32") and 16:9. I wish they still made 24" 4k monitors.
- prime17569 2y agoCheck out the LG 24UD58-B!
- OccamsMirror 2y agoI like to be able to scroll and read at the same time. To do that comfortably you need at least 120hz. Vast majority of $250+ monitors are 100hz or over. This is not a cheap monitor, I think expecting a better refresh rate is a reasonable expectation.
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- guy4261 2y agoI have a similar monitor at work. I find my adhd deals better with a single, wider monitor than with multiple monitors. That said, as I type, my keystrokes make the monitor shake. This is visibly irritating and I still haven't solved this issue. Looking at this monitor I'd sadly expect the same to happen.
- coffeebeqn 2y agoI put little square speakers under each side of the monitor. Fixed the vibrations pretty much fully
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- pcurve 2y ago15:10 vs 16:9. I think that's enough difference to notice. 2560 x 1600 resolution is a bit disappointing though. Too bad 1:1 display isn't common.
- Loocid 2y agoThe RD280U is 4k. The cheaper, smaller RD240Q is 2560x1600.
- cced 2y agoWhere are you seeing 2560x1600? They are advertising 4k
- ADent 2y agoThe 4K is 3840x2560
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- ranger_danger 2y ago> Too bad 1:1 display isn't common. Do any exist at all that are being sold right now?
- deskamess 2y agoLooks good but 10 kg/23 lbs? I see a Samsung IPS for <8 kg. 50" 4K Fire TV for 9.3 kg. I guess we don't really move monitors around once we start using them, esp if mounted, so perhaps a non-issue.
- firemelt 2y agois this retina? too bad its not
- jart 2y agoIt's like a tenth the price of an Apple monitor.
- ranger_danger 2y agoI like the 3:2 ratio but IMO the specs are embarrassing all the way down.
- ndneighbor 2y agoI still don't get why there aren't enough monitor panels that are 5K so they can fit with Macintosh's retina standard. What ends up happening is the scaling is done at an incorrect multiple so the dpi causes text to be blurry and not clear. I guess will have to stick with my LG Ultrafine for another year.
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- ladzoppelin 2y agoWhat is going on with this, is 5k not going to happen ?
- jltsiren 2y agoUntil recently, you had to make trade-offs between physical dimensions, pixel density, and refresh rate. Almost nobody prioritized pixel density. But now DisplayPort and HDMI have enough bandwidth that you can have 120 Hz 5k/6k displays, so maybe resolutions higher than 4k will finally become common.
- throwaway4good 2y agoI use a similar monitor to this and I don’t notice the difference between 4K+ at 28” and the Retina display on my MacBook. The difference between the 4K and a 27” QHD that I sometimes use at work is quite noticeable.
- mmaniac 2y ago90% of desktop users use an OS which supports DPI scaling and doesn't have this problem. The remaining 10% have intentionally chosen to buy a computer where ordinary peripherals like monitors or mice don't quite work right by design, and instead have to remain within an "ecosystem" of products primarily from the same vendor. In other words - Macintosh's "retina standard" is the issue. Use a computer which is fit for purpose.
- xarope 2y agoPretty please, I'd like there to be more commercial e-ink monitors, not just the $2K Dasung Paperlike 253. And if it's not asking too much, color too.
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- omoikane 2y agoNot sure if 3:2 aspect ratio is really optimized for programmers, but it might be something well appreciated by photographers since a lot of cameras (digital and film) use 3:2 aspect ratio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_image_resolutions_used_in_digital_cameras https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_image_resolutions_used...
- prng2021 2y agoI would definitely appreciate the extra vertical space but I wish it was 32 inches. I don’t know if many people can comfortably use the native resolution with 100% scaling on a 28 inch screen.
- aPoCoMiLogin 2y agoif someone is looking for monitor, i can recommend the LG 28MQ780 [0], its 2x 2560x1440 stack on top of each other (2560x2880 in total), giving you 16:18 aspect ratio. i'm using one of these in portrait right and it's fantastic for coding. [0] https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-28mq780-b-dualup-monitor https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-28mq780-b-dualup-monitor
- ac130kz 2y agoToo expensive for a low refresh IPS, which is not covering full 100% DCI-P3.