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Which is weird because Hang the DJ is one of the few Black Mirror episodes that’s uplifting, alongside San Junipero. This seems like an actual decent use of AI

by mvid 2y ago

Which is weird because Hang the DJ is one of the few Black Mirror episodes that’s uplifting, alongside San Junipero. This seems like an actual decent use of AI in dating apps, versus the autogenerated spam bots we have now. Having an automation that filters by your preferences and solves the whole “swipe fatigue” issue seems brilliant.

cs702 2y ago
You're right. It's one of the few kind-of-uplifting Dark Mirror episodes. > Having an automation that filters by your preferences and solves the whole “swipe fatigue” issue seems brilliant. I doubt it will work, because users will try to get their dating bots to behave in whatever ways will get the most dates, regardless of whether such behavior is genuine or not. I would expect "artificial dates" to be dominated by dishonest bots interacting dishonestly with other dishonest bots.
- mvid 2y ago
  I’m honestly not that concerned about it, it’s no bigger an issue than catfishing or lying about your hobbies or lifestyle. The barrier to entry to manipulate an AI to convincingly lie on your behalf is higher than just lying on your own (until someone makes a tool for it)
  - lazide 2y ago
    Why would the AI be incentivized to do anything but lie on its own? You don’t need to fool it. If it’s incentivized by matches, of course it’s going to lie it’s ass off!
    - mvid 2y ago
      If they build a model that is incentivized by any and all matches, then sure. Users would pretty quickly stop paying for that, as it would be of zero value to them
      - lazide 2y ago
        What does your comment have to do with my comment?
BoorishBears 2y ago
It doesn't feel genuine though. Bumble has enough data to generate embeddings of what works and what doesn't to come up with an infinitely more practical solution, they're just not in a hurry to get anyone off their platform.
- mvid 2y ago
  Some dating app needs to nail a funding model that incentivizes them to properly match users and delete their account. How were professional matchmakers paid back before social networking?
  - devilbunny 2y ago
    With social cred. I mean, they got money, too, but "X set up Y and Z together and they've now been happily married for 30 years and have four kids, you should go to X" is a really strong recommendation (assuming that X has a lot of Y's and Z's to refer to when trying to sell you on the idea).
tedunangst 2y ago
It's uplifting if you ignore that the AIs trapped in the episode are sentient. Otherwise, it's basically basilisk territory. Create 100 clones of yourself, torture them until they reveal the best outcome.
- singleshot_ 2y ago
  If the clones are computer programs, that doesn’t really seem like torture.
  - ay 2y ago
    What if we all are computer programs after all, to begin with ? :-)
  - octopoc 2y ago
    Have you ever heard the phrase "tortured logic"?
  - cangeroo 2y ago
    That's a specieist argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism#%22Discontinuous_mind%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism#%22Discontinuous_mi...
    - singleshot_ 2y ago
      If would be if computer programs were alive, sure. (They aren't).

by mvid 2y ago

cs702 2y ago

You're right. It's one of the few kind-of-uplifting Dark Mirror episodes. > Having an automation that filters by your preferences and solves the whole “swipe fatigue” issue seems brilliant. I doubt it will work, because users will try to get their dating bots to behave in whatever ways will get the most dates, regardless of whether such behavior is genuine or not. I would expect "artificial dates" to be dominated by dishonest bots interacting dishonestly with other dishonest bots.

mvid 2y ago
I’m honestly not that concerned about it, it’s no bigger an issue than catfishing or lying about your hobbies or lifestyle. The barrier to entry to manipulate an AI to convincingly lie on your behalf is higher than just lying on your own (until someone makes a tool for it)
- lazide 2y ago
  Why would the AI be incentivized to do anything but lie on its own? You don’t need to fool it. If it’s incentivized by matches, of course it’s going to lie it’s ass off!
  - mvid 2y ago
    If they build a model that is incentivized by any and all matches, then sure. Users would pretty quickly stop paying for that, as it would be of zero value to them
    - lazide 2y ago
      What does your comment have to do with my comment?

BoorishBears 2y ago

It doesn't feel genuine though. Bumble has enough data to generate embeddings of what works and what doesn't to come up with an infinitely more practical solution, they're just not in a hurry to get anyone off their platform.

mvid 2y ago
Some dating app needs to nail a funding model that incentivizes them to properly match users and delete their account. How were professional matchmakers paid back before social networking?
- devilbunny 2y ago
  With social cred. I mean, they got money, too, but "X set up Y and Z together and they've now been happily married for 30 years and have four kids, you should go to X" is a really strong recommendation (assuming that X has a lot of Y's and Z's to refer to when trying to sell you on the idea).

tedunangst 2y ago

It's uplifting if you ignore that the AIs trapped in the episode are sentient. Otherwise, it's basically basilisk territory. Create 100 clones of yourself, torture them until they reveal the best outcome.

singleshot_ 2y ago
If the clones are computer programs, that doesn’t really seem like torture.
- ay 2y ago
  What if we all are computer programs after all, to begin with ? :-)
- octopoc 2y ago
  Have you ever heard the phrase "tortured logic"?
- cangeroo 2y ago
  That's a specieist argument. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism#%22Discontinuous_mind%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism#%22Discontinuous_mi...
  - singleshot_ 2y ago
    If would be if computer programs were alive, sure. (They aren't).