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Agreed, its one of the many reasons I cant wait for the shift from ICE vehicles to EVs, they are just so much quieter.

nixass 2y ago
If you're nearby any moderately busy road it's not the engine what makes noise but the tires and then air going around the car. Engine/exhaust noise is a problem but easy to solve
- BeFlatXIII 2y ago
  I believe it bas to do more with vehicular speed than business. At low speeds, engine noise dominates; on a freeway, it’s the tyres.
- pixl97 2y ago
  Yep, there are plenty of ICE vehicles that are quite. A large number of cars/small trucks that are loud are designed that way because the roaring engine noise sells the car.
- lolinder 2y ago
  > Engine/exhaust noise is a problem but easy to solve It's easy from a technical standpoint but practically impossible from a human one. The vast majority of people simply don't notice or care that some large percentage of vehicles are intentionally modified to be louder than the legal maximum. Police won't enforce it, and most citizens barely register the noise as present, much less a problem. Banning ICE vehicles altogether may very well be the only thing that actually gets the problem solved, since that actually has more momentum behind it than enforcement of existing noise regulations does.
  - ldoughty 2y ago
    I'm not sure "large percentage" is a statement I'd agree with, my searching skills are failing me, do you have any kind of source for that? I'd be shocked if it was over 5%...
    - cassianoleal 2y ago
      I live near a medium-busy street. I haven't seen actual numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if at peak hours there are over 100 cars passing per minute. If 5% of those are overly loud, that's an average of a very loud noise every 3 seconds, and most of them will take somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds to come and finally go away. If you don't think that's large, we have very different noise thresholds.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      I guess "large" is subjective. 1-5% is the ballpark I have in my head based on experience, which qualifies as "large" to me when I get passed by thousands of cars a day. The hard numbers I'm aware of are about motorcycles, which have much higher rates of illegal modifications than other vehicles. This source documents a bunch of other sources, with estimates ranging from 40-70%: https://noisefree.org/sources-of-noise/motorcycles/ https://noisefree.org/sources-of-noise/motorcycles/
  - smegger001 2y ago
    People that purposefully install loader than necessary pipes on their vehicles ought to be forced to stay awake by having a marching band play nonstop in their bedroom until the loud exhaust pipe is removed
- mrtesthah 2y ago
  Quiet asphalt is a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8
- llsf 2y ago
  I found this to be true for cars and maybe trucks, but not for motorbikes. Some extreme motorbikes rattle all parked cars and trigger alarms. When Harley-Davidson and other moppet/scooters would be all electric, that would be quitter.
  - lukan 2y ago
    "When Harley-Davidson and other moppet/scooters would be all electric, that would be quitter." Not that easy, the electric Harley is intentionally louder than the combustion version - because people want them loud. (I am not a fan of banning in general, but banning noise is fine by me)
- Alupis 2y ago
  > If you're nearby any moderately busy road it's not the engine what makes noise but the tires and then air going around the car. You cannot even hear modern ICE cars running unless you are really close to them. My neighbor's garage door opener is louder than his ICE car... Road noise is tires/air like you mentioned. Not a real way to deal with that.
pixl97 2y ago
Yes and no at the same time. Tire noise is significant which is also a function of vehicle weight, speed, and tire design. You tend not to notice the tire noise as most of our interaction with cars is in places like parking lots where engine noise is much more pronounced.
- johnchristopher 2y ago
  Depends what we are talking about. In Europe, uber EV moped drivers are sooooo much nicer than the regular ones. Most of our interaction with cars are on side walks, along moving cars.
tayo42 2y ago
There is still honking, car alarms, and bass

If you're nearby any moderately busy road it's not the engine what makes noise but the tires and then air going around the car. Engine/exhaust noise is a problem but easy to solve

BeFlatXIII 2y ago
I believe it bas to do more with vehicular speed than business. At low speeds, engine noise dominates; on a freeway, it’s the tyres.
pixl97 2y ago
Yep, there are plenty of ICE vehicles that are quite. A large number of cars/small trucks that are loud are designed that way because the roaring engine noise sells the car.
lolinder 2y ago
> Engine/exhaust noise is a problem but easy to solve It's easy from a technical standpoint but practically impossible from a human one. The vast majority of people simply don't notice or care that some large percentage of vehicles are intentionally modified to be louder than the legal maximum. Police won't enforce it, and most citizens barely register the noise as present, much less a problem. Banning ICE vehicles altogether may very well be the only thing that actually gets the problem solved, since that actually has more momentum behind it than enforcement of existing noise regulations does.
- ldoughty 2y ago
  I'm not sure "large percentage" is a statement I'd agree with, my searching skills are failing me, do you have any kind of source for that? I'd be shocked if it was over 5%...
  - cassianoleal 2y ago
    I live near a medium-busy street. I haven't seen actual numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if at peak hours there are over 100 cars passing per minute. If 5% of those are overly loud, that's an average of a very loud noise every 3 seconds, and most of them will take somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds to come and finally go away. If you don't think that's large, we have very different noise thresholds.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    I guess "large" is subjective. 1-5% is the ballpark I have in my head based on experience, which qualifies as "large" to me when I get passed by thousands of cars a day. The hard numbers I'm aware of are about motorcycles, which have much higher rates of illegal modifications than other vehicles. This source documents a bunch of other sources, with estimates ranging from 40-70%: https://noisefree.org/sources-of-noise/motorcycles/ https://noisefree.org/sources-of-noise/motorcycles/
- smegger001 2y ago
  People that purposefully install loader than necessary pipes on their vehicles ought to be forced to stay awake by having a marching band play nonstop in their bedroom until the loud exhaust pipe is removed
mrtesthah 2y ago
Quiet asphalt is a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8
llsf 2y ago
I found this to be true for cars and maybe trucks, but not for motorbikes. Some extreme motorbikes rattle all parked cars and trigger alarms. When Harley-Davidson and other moppet/scooters would be all electric, that would be quitter.
- lukan 2y ago
  "When Harley-Davidson and other moppet/scooters would be all electric, that would be quitter." Not that easy, the electric Harley is intentionally louder than the combustion version - because people want them loud. (I am not a fan of banning in general, but banning noise is fine by me)
Alupis 2y ago
> If you're nearby any moderately busy road it's not the engine what makes noise but the tires and then air going around the car. You cannot even hear modern ICE cars running unless you are really close to them. My neighbor's garage door opener is louder than his ICE car... Road noise is tires/air like you mentioned. Not a real way to deal with that.

pixl97 2y ago

Yes and no at the same time. Tire noise is significant which is also a function of vehicle weight, speed, and tire design. You tend not to notice the tire noise as most of our interaction with cars is in places like parking lots where engine noise is much more pronounced.

johnchristopher 2y ago
Depends what we are talking about. In Europe, uber EV moped drivers are sooooo much nicer than the regular ones. Most of our interaction with cars are on side walks, along moving cars.

tayo42 2y ago

There is still honking, car alarms, and bass