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Wow, I had no idea it was this bad. I am not really suprised the lengths American spying goes though. Glad not to be living in New York. >The Domain Awareness
by iceyest 2y ago
Wow, I had no idea it was this bad. I am not really suprised the lengths American spying goes though. Glad not to be living in New York.
>The Domain Awareness System is the largest digital surveillance system in the world
I wonder how it compares to China and if facial recognition tech is as pervasive in America as it is in China.
- pfortuny 2y agoThere’s London too, totally dystopian.
- vidarh 2y agoMost cameras in the UK are private, rarely working well, and usually not networked or easily accessible to the police. It could be better, but the idea of the UK as a surveillance state is seriously overblown outside of maybe a handful of streets.
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- phantompeace 2y agoDon’t forget ANPRs that can track your vehicle all around the country. Doesn’t even have to cross paths with a police car - they’re at most major junctions and all over the motorway
- fennecbutt 2y agoGood. But still doesn't stop the absolute fkwits doing 110mph around the m25 every day; how they get away with it I have no idea.
- 1attice 2y agoBecause you can't boil a frog by starting at 100°C. You introduce the surveillance as a way of mitigating extreme, rare occurrences, like terrorism. You gradually make it common to use when solving major crimes, like murders. Only then do you start tracking down traffic infractions. Doctorow calls this the 'Shitty Technology Adoption Curve' https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/21/great-taylors-ghost/ https://pluralistic.net/2022/08/21/great-taylors-ghost/
- fennecbutt 2y agoNot really. I got mugged quite close to a tube station in relatively central London and no CCTV footage, so all the cameras are useless. I was on a jury for a court case where: the incident was caught by a bus camera, but the police waited 6 months to ask for footage, footage is deleted after 1 month and they know this. The shop across the road captured the incident on CCTV but the cop had "tech problems" trying to transfer the video file to his laptop - even then they didn't even bother to sign a document stating what they saw in the video. CCTV and cops (at least in and around London) are just totally useless. And the gov is useless too, "fighting" crime rather than addressing what causes crimes. Otherwise, it's not too bad a place to live for a travelling Kiwi, great launchpad into Europe, oh wait they fucked that up with Brexit, too.
- pixxel 2y ago> great launchpad into Europe So pick another country or just fill-in the required paperwork. Wetwipe.
- 1attice 2y agoCommonwealth countries in general (I'm in Canada) had a convenient pathway into Europe by way of EU-era UK. I've lived in several countries at this point, and no, it's not just an administrative task of completing paperwork. Immigration is hard. Do it wrong, and you might find yourself in Rwanda, for example. And maybe don't call people 'wetwipes' on HN? If you want to hurl insults, well: All the web is yours, except HN. Attempt no landing there.
- w1nst0nsm1th 2y ago>..., great launchpad into Rwanda. Corrected for you.
- soundnote 2y agoLondon police are pretty much pro dysfunction at this point.
- ted_bunny 2y agoPartly just a product of its street layout. They need a lot more cameras to get the same amount of coverage that a grid-based city would need, since vantage is so poor.
- winrid 2y agoYeah I would want to better understand how they arrived at that statement. When I was in Xinjiang there were like 5-10 cameras at every intersection. Surely NYC isn't at that level?
- dpkirchner 2y agoI don't know about NYC but it's common to see at least 4 cameras per lighted intersection where I am (small city in the PNW). They're replacing the loops used to sense vehicles, but I'm pretty sure they're also remotely accessible.
- lotsofpulp 2y agoI don’t think those are necessarily recording cameras. They could just be radar or video vehicle detectors to let the light know if a car is waiting.
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- ajma 2y agoNot only are they remotely accessible. There publicly accessible (not all of them) https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/local-services/transit-transportation-roads/roads-and-bridges/traffic-cameras https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/local-services/transit-transp...
- janalsncm 2y agoIn America we get the worst of both worlds: police won’t admit to domestic spying so they can’t use to solve day to day crimes. But they still spy on us, Constitution be damned. As a result the US has a higher crime rate than many other countries including China. If you don’t trust China’s numbers look at Singapore, which has a population density similar to NYC with an order of magnitude less crime. Singapore is safer at night than NYC is during the day. Why? Cameras. If you commit an offense, you will be caught, without question.
- kube-system 2y ago> Singapore is safer at night than NYC is during the day. Why? Cameras. If you commit an offense, you will be caught, without question. There's more to it than that. A sheisty will defeat a camera.
- echoangle 2y agoNot when you have a lot of cameras, right? You still have to put it on somewhere without being seen, and you would have to swap all clothes so you can’t be tracked by checking tapes of other locations for your clothes before you put it on.
- vundercind 2y agoSame with national ID and our fear of “papers, please”. We have all the downsides—constantly having to provide ID to everyone, government can trivially access all kinds of tracking data tied to that—but none of the benefits of an actual national ID because we have to pretend we don’t have one (we do, it’s just 80% privatized and a massive liability and inconvenience for citizens in ways that it doesn’t need to be)
- DaiPlusPlus 2y ago> constantly having to provide ID to everyone I live in WA and for the past 5+ years I've only ever presented my driver's license to TSA agents at the airport. ...unless getting carded at the store for buying beer counts?
- postalrat 2y agoYou had no idea it was so bad? You do know how mobile phones work and what is tracked don't you?
- lupire 2y agoIt's frustrating how Wikipedia phrases unvalidated claims as facts instead of claims. NYC government claiming something doesn't make it true.