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I’m having a hard time seeing how pneumonia and stroke could be inflicted on a person as part of a cover up. Seems like this was just unfortunate illness.
by binarymax 2y ago
I’m having a hard time seeing how pneumonia and stroke could be inflicted on a person as part of a cover up. Seems like this was just unfortunate illness.
- highcountess 2y agoQue the leaked pentagon briefing from … what was it, 12 years ago … about the use of “vaccines” to alter the brain chemistry of people with “extremist” views, so they too may benefit from approved values.
- ceejayoz 2y agoThere's a long history of zany ideas being looked at. I'm not inclined to conclude it's technologically feasible just from that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb, for example.
- hnarn 2y ago[flagged]
- outime 2y agoI have no idea but if many decades ago they revealed this [1], at this point it's safe to assume there are much better things. [1] https://www.military.com/video/guns/pistols/cias-secret-heart-attack-gun/2555371072001 https://www.military.com/video/guns/pistols/cias-secret-hear...
- pazimzadeh 2y agoDo you know what the toxin was?
- erikerikson 2y agoI once worked with a researcher who was apparently the world's expert on giving mice strokes. Pneumonia seems more difficult.
- 2-3-7-43-1807 2y agocertainly not out of reach for a determined and powerful adversary. infecting someone with a respiratory virus isn't exactly rocket science. just spraying a subperceptibly thin aerosol into someone's face should do it.
- siamesedream 2y agoOr putting black mold in the air ducts in their home. Easy to pass off as just poor home maintenance.
- dyauspitr 2y agoYou’re putting yourself at a massive risk though. This is an airborne bacteria, the “assassin” is probably going to get infected too.
- stusmall 2y agoWhat a business card
- echelon 2y agoMRSA [1], though? He could have been inoculated with it. MRSA is awful, difficult or impossible to clear, and can certainly be fatal. This could be a very diabolical way to assassinate someone. How would you be able to trace it? It could have been laced in his food or drink. Or simply transfered by touch (got on his hands, then wiped on his face or nose). Or aerosolized as he walked by. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylococcus_aureus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methicillin-resistant_Staphylo...
- cogman10 2y agoMRSA is fairly common especially in hospital settings. After all, you have a setting where people are coming in sick with a disease that is hard to kill and resistant to antibiotics.
- foxyv 2y agoIt's also trivially easy to culture MRSA. A lot of university micro-bio classes induce anti-biotic resistance in e-coli as an experiment for under graduates.
- echelon 2y agoCan confirm. I did undergraduate bio and cultured lots of different bacteria species. I even used agrobacterium (which smell like feet) to clone genes into plants. This is easily within the reach of DIY bio folks. You just need a freezer, bath, growth serum, and other easy inputs.
- kube-system 2y agoThere are 3 million Americans unknowingly walking around with MRSA in their nose right now, all around us. It is so common I'm not sure it would be a good assassination weapon even if you tried.
- echelon 2y agoIt matters where the infection takes hold. If it's in the respiratory system, that's a much different disease than surface legions and boils.
- peteradio 2y agoGuy comes in with routine influenza, transfer him to emergency, pacify him and forcibly intubate him with MRSA infected tube. The rest happens as if by mistake.
- kodt 2y agoSo now Boeing and the hospital staff are in on the conspiracy. This place is turning into reddit.
- aaomidi 2y agoHistorically companies have not shyed away from killing people for profit. Boeing is a very very well connected company, and it can barely be considered a truly private company to begin with anyway.
- kodt 2y agoSo now the US government is involved too :) It seems the risks of murdering whistleblowers, especially after they have already testified, is too great. They just want revenge here?
- g00gler 2y agoJust pointing out, now these guys will never be on 60 minutes or giving interviews to popular mechanics, Rogan or Lex Friedman. Whatever testimony is made available will be all that we have on the topic.
- 2-3-7-43-1807 2y agoboth is very easy to achieve and also kind of medically obvious
- ghusto 2y agoI'm not at all inclined to believe this is anything more than a co-incidence, but those things can definitely be induced in a way that's difficult to detect.
- RobotToaster 2y agoThe US military used to have a stockpile of Q-fever bioweapons, that they claim to have destroyed. Q-fever can cause pneumonia.
- dralley 2y agoA fucking cold can also cause pneumonia. There are thousands of things that cause pneumonia. WTF are you talking about.
- coldtea 2y agoHe talks about a historical factoid. He also talks about something that can induce pneumonia that's deadly, not just waiting for some common cold to turn to pneumonia in an off chance. WTF about what he is talking about was difficult to parse?
- dudeinjapan 2y agoDoubt Boeing or its spook going to use a bioweapon to off a whistleblower. Too complex, too many parties involved, too much of a trail, too high consequences if caught (i.e. terrorism), too high survival % vs. the panoply of less exotic options. It’s a Wile E. Coyote-level plot.
- smsm42 2y agoPneumonia is just a lung infection, so I imagine there's a number of ways you can make a person to unknowingly inhale something. However, it looks way too complicated for a plot. There are many tried and proven methods of getting rid of people. Spooks aren't actually that good in hiding their works - we know about a lot of cases where people were assassinated (of course, we may also not know about many, but I think we have a good sample). Among those, we have a lot of ways it can be done - shootings, stabbings, explosions, poisons, drownings, falling from heights, whatever - but I can't remember any case where a biological agent were used. And thinking about it - biological agents are hard to produce, hard to handle, unstable, unpredictable in use, can't be properly targeted, why would anyone use that instead of dozens of easier and more common methods? So while it does look suspicious on its face, I'd have hard time believing it's an example of an assassination.
- candiodari 2y ago"Something?". Having them inhale oil or dirt will do it. Pneumonia is usually caused by a bacteria that's just everywhere (though usually on the skin), that's too simple. If it starts growing in your lungs, you can try antibiotics. If that doesn't work, well, nice knowing you. We are surrounded by lethal bacteria. That humans survive depends on the immune system having a 100% success rate preventing bacteria from forming even a small colony in the lungs (and several other places, like the teeth, where infections can rapidly and surprisingly turn deadly) This is why people cough so extremely hard when inhaling solid or liquid stuff in their windpipes. Also this happens all the time. That someone dies from pneumonia is not uncommon (though for oil it's usually someone who manages to spray themselves with aerosolized oil at work). So even if an autopsy found a few specs of dirt in the lungs, and even if they actually trace that to be the cause, that's not extremely suspicious. (Plus why would they check? Obviously with a pneumonia patient you know the cause of death)
- matsemann 2y agoThis sounds a bit like the toupee fallacy - you have never seen a good toupee, because the good ones you don't recognize as anything other than normal hair.
- prmph 2y ago
- mattmaroon 2y agoI figure there's like a 99% chance it happened naturally, and a 1% chance it was the most brilliant assasination of all time specifically because any rational person would think it's unlikely to have been one.
- ReptileMan 2y agoI think there were some heavy metal poisons (not Alice Cooper or Bret Michaels) that had symptoms of pneumonia, and the treatment for pneumonia fucked up the patient a bit.
- sunshine_reggae 2y ago[flagged]
- normalaccess 2y agoRunning someones immune system or poisoning them is a fantastic way to get plausible deniability. No smoking gun... Plausible Deniability is when a person's involvement or culpability in an event might be denied, or at least mitigated, by creating a situation where they can claim ignorance or an inability to act.
- jmcgough 2y agoThere are a lot of easy ways to give someone pneumonia, like aspiration.
- lubesGordi 2y agoAgreed. Being a whistleblower is probably very stressful.
- alex_lav 2y agoNot to say that I believe it happened, but there is a difference between actual cause of death and reported cause of death. As in, just because it was written down that pneumonia and stroke were involved doesn't necessarily make it true. Again, I do not believe this happened, but that's probably how you'd do it.
- walterbell 2y agoIn 2020 and 2021, there was endless online discussion of airborne pathogen distribution, measurement and defense.
- dyauspitr 2y agoI don’t think too many spooks want to handle something as dangerous as MRSA. How do you even infect someone with that without infecting yourself in the process.
- autoexec 2y agoHe had a sudden mysterious illness that caused him to have problems breathing. If this were a cover up, that illness would have been the cover up attempt, not the pneumonia. The breathing problems required the whistleblower to be intubated and he later developed pneumonia, and later still MRSA. The pneumonia and MRSA were certainly just an unfortunate illness. The more conspiratorial can debate over if the original breathing difficulties that brought him into the hospital were the result of an assassination attempt or not. For all we know he just had Covid.
- gitaarik 2y agoJust because you don't know how it's done or aren't aware of methods for it doesn't mean it isn't possible to do for other people.