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I would argue that point, at least somewhat. Even among Japanese cars, you can see in reliability reports the difference between cars where the final assembly i

I would argue that point, at least somewhat. Even among Japanese cars, you can see in reliability reports the difference between cars where the final assembly is in the US or Mexico vs final assembly in Japan. For example the Mazdas truly made in Japan are great, while the ones made in Mexico are, well, good.

jqpabc123 2y ago
A Chevy Silverado is as American as apple pie, right? Or at least, this is how it's marketed. Final assembly of these vehicles is done in Canada, Mexico and the USA. Regardless of the final assembly point, the powertrain (engine and transmission) is likely to have been built at the GM plant in Silao, Mexico. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/1-full-size-american-pickup-truck-is-actually-made-in-mexico/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/1-full-size-american-pickup-tru... Bottom line --- the typical consumer really has no idea what he is getting when he buys "American". The people selling it typically don't really know either but they will gladly tell you whatever they think you want to hear.
- bouncing 2y ago
  Sure. I'm just pointing out that regardless of branding, the quality of the products is (1) not equal, (2) still correlated with where the vehicle is assembled.
- Kon-Peki 2y ago
  > Bottom line --- the typical consumer really has no idea what he is getting when he buys "American". The people selling it typically don't really know either but they will gladly tell you whatever they think you want to hear. The Monroney Sticker that is on the vehicle lists the following: US/Canadian parts content (by percentage) Other countries that are major sources of parts content (by percentage) Final Assembly Point (City/State/Country) Country of Origin for the engine Country of Origin for the transmission
  - jqpabc123 2y ago
    Yes, but what to believe when "American" vehicles actually have *less* "American" content than "foreign" ones? For example, in 2023 Ford averaged 52% "American" content while Honda averaged 67%. Which is more "American" --- a Ford Ranger or a Toyota Tacoma? (Hint: Monroney says it's not the one most people would guess.) https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2023 https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2023
    - Kon-Peki 2y ago
      The only real response is that it's not the Monroney's job to tell you whether a car brand is "American" or "Not American". At this point, just about every auto manufacturer that sells vehicles in the US is a multinational corporation with huge operations in dozens of countries. It's all a branding exercise now. BTW - Honda of America does so much work in Ohio that they could probably completely cut ties with Honda in Japan.
      - jqpabc123 2y ago
        It's all a branding exercise now. Thank you for finally agreeing with my original premise.

jqpabc123 2y ago

A Chevy Silverado is as American as apple pie, right? Or at least, this is how it's marketed. Final assembly of these vehicles is done in Canada, Mexico and the USA. Regardless of the final assembly point, the powertrain (engine and transmission) is likely to have been built at the GM plant in Silao, Mexico. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/1-full-size-american-pickup-truck-is-actually-made-in-mexico/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/1-full-size-american-pickup-tru... Bottom line --- the typical consumer really has no idea what he is getting when he buys "American". The people selling it typically don't really know either but they will gladly tell you whatever they think you want to hear.

bouncing 2y ago
Sure. I'm just pointing out that regardless of branding, the quality of the products is (1) not equal, (2) still correlated with where the vehicle is assembled.
Kon-Peki 2y ago
> Bottom line --- the typical consumer really has no idea what he is getting when he buys "American". The people selling it typically don't really know either but they will gladly tell you whatever they think you want to hear. The Monroney Sticker that is on the vehicle lists the following: US/Canadian parts content (by percentage) Other countries that are major sources of parts content (by percentage) Final Assembly Point (City/State/Country) Country of Origin for the engine Country of Origin for the transmission
- jqpabc123 2y ago
  Yes, but what to believe when "American" vehicles actually have *less* "American" content than "foreign" ones? For example, in 2023 Ford averaged 52% "American" content while Honda averaged 67%. Which is more "American" --- a Ford Ranger or a Toyota Tacoma? (Hint: Monroney says it's not the one most people would guess.) https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2023 https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2023
  - Kon-Peki 2y ago
    The only real response is that it's not the Monroney's job to tell you whether a car brand is "American" or "Not American". At this point, just about every auto manufacturer that sells vehicles in the US is a multinational corporation with huge operations in dozens of countries. It's all a branding exercise now. BTW - Honda of America does so much work in Ohio that they could probably completely cut ties with Honda in Japan.
    - jqpabc123 2y ago
      It's all a branding exercise now. Thank you for finally agreeing with my original premise.