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Hilariously so. But really what it means is that javascript eats the whole world (FE&BE) which, personally, I do not enjoy myself.

dartos 2y ago
I don’t think any shop starting nowadays really wants to use nodejs on the backend. I think most everyone is on go or python for BE work. Just really frontend focused apps or heavy react shops are doing js on the backend. EDIT: I think “use server” is a nextjs thing FWIW
- DangitBobby 2y ago
  No, it's baked in to React. https://react.dev/reference/rsc/server-actions https://react.dev/reference/rsc/server-actions
  - dartos 2y ago
    Oh yep, I was thinking of “use client” https://nextjs.org/docs/app/building-your-application/rendering/client-components https://nextjs.org/docs/app/building-your-application/render...
    - throwitaway1123 2y ago
      That's also baked into React: https://react.dev/reference/rsc/use-client https://react.dev/reference/rsc/use-client
- postalrat 2y ago
  PHP is what you should be using for server code.
  - dartos 2y ago
    You _should_ the best tool for the job. Personally,I don’t think php or js are the right tools to build a backend for a business. Neither are particularly friendly towards growing teams for many reasons, but the lack of strong typing is a big one. You want your backend to have minimal complexity, that’s why go has been so popular lately
    - phyrex 2y ago
      PHP has static and strong types these days and it (and its dialects) are in use by some of the largest teams on the planet
      - dartos 2y ago
        Granted I don’t know much about typing in php, but from my quick google search, it seems like they support type hints and type declarations, but the language isn’t strongly typed. Also, to your second point, some of the largest, most critical, and most at-risk businesses on the planet (namely banks) run on COBOL, but I wouldn’t exactly describe cobol as a language that lends itself well to large orgs, it’s just entrenched. same as php and dozens of other technologies.
        phyrex 2y ago
        I admit I’ve only ever used Hack, not vanilla PHP, but that one is a pleasure to use. I’m sure the vast majority of my colleagues will agree with that too

dartos 2y ago

I don’t think any shop starting nowadays really wants to use nodejs on the backend. I think most everyone is on go or python for BE work. Just really frontend focused apps or heavy react shops are doing js on the backend. EDIT: I think “use server” is a nextjs thing FWIW

DangitBobby 2y ago
No, it's baked in to React. https://react.dev/reference/rsc/server-actions https://react.dev/reference/rsc/server-actions
- dartos 2y ago
  Oh yep, I was thinking of “use client” https://nextjs.org/docs/app/building-your-application/rendering/client-components https://nextjs.org/docs/app/building-your-application/render...
  - throwitaway1123 2y ago
    That's also baked into React: https://react.dev/reference/rsc/use-client https://react.dev/reference/rsc/use-client
postalrat 2y ago
PHP is what you should be using for server code.
- dartos 2y ago
  You _should_ the best tool for the job. Personally,I don’t think php or js are the right tools to build a backend for a business. Neither are particularly friendly towards growing teams for many reasons, but the lack of strong typing is a big one. You want your backend to have minimal complexity, that’s why go has been so popular lately
  - phyrex 2y ago
    PHP has static and strong types these days and it (and its dialects) are in use by some of the largest teams on the planet
    - dartos 2y ago
      Granted I don’t know much about typing in php, but from my quick google search, it seems like they support type hints and type declarations, but the language isn’t strongly typed. Also, to your second point, some of the largest, most critical, and most at-risk businesses on the planet (namely banks) run on COBOL, but I wouldn’t exactly describe cobol as a language that lends itself well to large orgs, it’s just entrenched. same as php and dozens of other technologies.
      - phyrex 2y ago
        I admit I’ve only ever used Hack, not vanilla PHP, but that one is a pleasure to use. I’m sure the vast majority of my colleagues will agree with that too