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What type of cooking oil does that?

lambdaba 2y ago
Seed oils mainly, a factor of the lower smoke point. The only suitable plant oils in this regard are olive and coconut oil - which are fruit oils. [edit] seed oils r bad skeptics can just double check - the top 3 highest smoke point oils are all fruit oils, with seed oils at a distance - with the exception of peanut oil, which is closer. The smoke point is also not the only relevant factor, the fatty acid makeup is also important, high omega-6 oils are more likely to oxidize, coconut oil for instance is high in saturated fat, olive oil is mainly monounsaturated.
- darth_avocado 2y ago
  Most seed oils have a higher smoking point, as compared to olive oil.
  - probably_jesus 2y ago
    Yeah but it's about what the chemicals turn into when they reach a certain temperature, seed oils probably have something in them that is chemically different
  - Iulioh 2y ago
    Depends on how refined
- enhancer 2y ago
  Damn so sesame oil or soybean oil? Those are essential is asian cuisine
  - gavindean90 2y ago
    Use them as dressings but don’t cook with it.
  - darth_avocado 2y ago
    Soybean oil is very common in most American deep fried food.
    - lambdaba 2y ago
      I know it's not very HN of me but I want to point out your username is highly relevant to the discussion.
      - darth_avocado 2y ago
        I must admit, I cook all my food with Avocado oil. Unless EVOO can be used.
        lambdaba 2y ago
        Understandable, it's delicious. It's great for salad seasonings too, but you're surely aware of that :P.
        thrill 2y ago
        Give Zero Acre fermented ("cultured") oil a try.
  - lambdaba 2y ago
    Soybean oil is mentioned in the study. A lot of people get very angry when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized, the fact is these are not lindy at all, there is no tradition that would validate their safety, these are 20th century inventions.
    - gruez 2y ago
      >when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized ??? Where are you seeing this? It's definitely controversial, but calling it "politicized" seems like a stretch.
      - lambdaba 2y ago
        Seed oil avoidance is right-wing coded, it's undeniable. To be clear, a segment of the online right-wing, I'm not saying literally half the population.
        wk_end 2y ago
        Can you elaborate further? I think of myself as pretty online (sadly) and I haven't heard anyone, right or left, talk about the politics of seed oils. EDIT: should've searched first. Sigh. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/is-seed-oil-bad-for-you-wellness-influencers-right-wing-debunked-1234809499/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/is-see...
        gruez 2y ago
        > Seed oil avoidance is right-wing coded, it's undeniable. Even taking that claim at face value, "right-wing coded" is hardly the same as "hilariously politicized". Living in rural areas is right-wing coded as well[1], but nobody would seriously call it "hilariously politicized", especially when you consider the broader context of the phrase: >A lot of people get very angry when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized [1] https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0 https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-result...
      - 2y ago
- Earw0rm 2y ago
  Sunflower and groundnut oil is higher smoke point than olive.
  - lambdaba 2y ago
    See edit, it's indeed a factor of both fatty acid makeup and smoke point. Seed oils tend to have more PUFAs which oxidize easily. Olive oil, on the contrary, is not only mostly monounsaturated but also contains anti oxidant compounds that are protective (I think oleic acid, and others)
- Earw0rm 2y ago
  enhancer - sesame oil is more used as a dressing/seasoning AIUI rather than a frying oil.
- mrob 2y ago
  Smoke point is a measure of when obvious quantities of particles are emitted, not their chemical composition. Extra virgin olive oil has lower smoke point than refined olive oil, but it's more chemically stable under frying conditions: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20678538/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20678538/ However, you're correct that seed oils are generally less stable under frying conditions than other oils.
- pertymcpert 2y ago
  I don’t think that’s the cause, it’s more likely second hand smoke from Asian men who are atrocious smokers.
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Seed oils mainly, a factor of the lower smoke point. The only suitable plant oils in this regard are olive and coconut oil - which are fruit oils. [edit] seed oils r bad skeptics can just double check - the top 3 highest smoke point oils are all fruit oils, with seed oils at a distance - with the exception of peanut oil, which is closer. The smoke point is also not the only relevant factor, the fatty acid makeup is also important, high omega-6 oils are more likely to oxidize, coconut oil for instance is high in saturated fat, olive oil is mainly monounsaturated.

darth_avocado 2y ago
Most seed oils have a higher smoking point, as compared to olive oil.
- probably_jesus 2y ago
  Yeah but it's about what the chemicals turn into when they reach a certain temperature, seed oils probably have something in them that is chemically different
- Iulioh 2y ago
  Depends on how refined
enhancer 2y ago
Damn so sesame oil or soybean oil? Those are essential is asian cuisine
- gavindean90 2y ago
  Use them as dressings but don’t cook with it.
- darth_avocado 2y ago
  Soybean oil is very common in most American deep fried food.
  - lambdaba 2y ago
    I know it's not very HN of me but I want to point out your username is highly relevant to the discussion.
    - darth_avocado 2y ago
      I must admit, I cook all my food with Avocado oil. Unless EVOO can be used.
      - lambdaba 2y ago
        Understandable, it's delicious. It's great for salad seasonings too, but you're surely aware of that :P.
      - thrill 2y ago
        Give Zero Acre fermented ("cultured") oil a try.
- lambdaba 2y ago
  Soybean oil is mentioned in the study. A lot of people get very angry when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized, the fact is these are not lindy at all, there is no tradition that would validate their safety, these are 20th century inventions.
  - gruez 2y ago
    >when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized ??? Where are you seeing this? It's definitely controversial, but calling it "politicized" seems like a stretch.
    - lambdaba 2y ago
      Seed oil avoidance is right-wing coded, it's undeniable. To be clear, a segment of the online right-wing, I'm not saying literally half the population.
      - wk_end 2y ago
        Can you elaborate further? I think of myself as pretty online (sadly) and I haven't heard anyone, right or left, talk about the politics of seed oils. EDIT: should've searched first. Sigh. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/is-seed-oil-bad-for-you-wellness-influencers-right-wing-debunked-1234809499/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/is-see...
      - gruez 2y ago
        > Seed oil avoidance is right-wing coded, it's undeniable. Even taking that claim at face value, "right-wing coded" is hardly the same as "hilariously politicized". Living in rural areas is right-wing coded as well[1], but nobody would seriously call it "hilariously politicized", especially when you consider the broader context of the phrase: >A lot of people get very angry when seed oil dangers are mentioned, it's hilariously politicized [1] https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/house/0 https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-result...
    - 2y ago
Earw0rm 2y ago
Sunflower and groundnut oil is higher smoke point than olive.
- lambdaba 2y ago
  See edit, it's indeed a factor of both fatty acid makeup and smoke point. Seed oils tend to have more PUFAs which oxidize easily. Olive oil, on the contrary, is not only mostly monounsaturated but also contains anti oxidant compounds that are protective (I think oleic acid, and others)
Earw0rm 2y ago
enhancer - sesame oil is more used as a dressing/seasoning AIUI rather than a frying oil.
mrob 2y ago
Smoke point is a measure of when obvious quantities of particles are emitted, not their chemical composition. Extra virgin olive oil has lower smoke point than refined olive oil, but it's more chemically stable under frying conditions: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20678538/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20678538/ However, you're correct that seed oils are generally less stable under frying conditions than other oils.
pertymcpert 2y ago
I don’t think that’s the cause, it’s more likely second hand smoke from Asian men who are atrocious smokers.

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