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I would not trust Kazakhstan to honor the TLD registrations if this took off and made some noise. Reminds me of Libya taking ownership of all those trendy .ly d

I would not trust Kazakhstan to honor the TLD registrations if this took off and made some noise. Reminds me of Libya taking ownership of all those trendy .ly domains claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations to operate them. Still a fun idea taken quite far!

freeone3000 2y ago
>claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations to operate them It being a CCTLD, this is a true claim. At a basic level, these tlds belong to the country, and that country sets the rules. Libya reclaiming from ICANN was a jerk move but their claims are absolutely right. (Most cctlds already have this requirement.)
- dc396 2y ago
  Libya didn't reclaim anything from ICANN -- ICANN didn't have anything of Libya's.
ransom1538 2y ago
"claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations" I always smile when bosses want everything to be GDPR compliant. I am not sure why these laws are more important than the laws from the Chilean Navy. Why are we clicking on cookie popups? We think the EU is smarter than the PII laws from Cameroon? Elitism I say. My websites follow strict guidelines set by proper Constitution of Cameroon doctrines. Every fourth visit to my site we dump all contents in html form (obviously).
- askvictor 2y ago
  > GDPR compliant. I am not sure why these laws are more important than the laws from the Chilean Navy. Purely market size. Europe is a large market. Same reason that just about every product is labelled with 'known to the state of California to cause cancer' - California is a large market.
  - swores 2y ago
    Not purely market size, though it's a very important part for sure. The other part is how likely a country is to try to enforce their laws, and what ability they will have to do so. Even if a hypothetical US company had an equal number of customers & revenue in Chile as in the EU, if either the Chilean law being broken is one that Chile never bothers to prosecute, or if the worst thing they could do should they find out about the law breaking is to block the service at a national firewall level but not levy any punishments (say, if the US company has no staff or assets in Chile, and the crime has no possibility for extradition or other international collaboration to punish) then the company would be a lot less likely to comply than they are with GDPR. Because most US companies aren't able/willing to serve EU customers without having servers, employees, and revenue, physically in the EU; therefore the worst case for getting caught breaking GDPR is considerably more worth avoiding than if it would just be the EU blocking access to your servers.
- wafflemaker 2y ago
  > Why are we clicking on cookie popups? Because people want to track us to make money from invading our privacy? You don't need a cookie consent banner if your cookies are needed to serve the client with your service. You can do analytics without cookies. So to answer your question - Why are we clicking on cookie popups? Because website owners don't want to stop selling your privacy and now have to inform you about it.
EGreg 2y ago
I really don't understand how so many people on HN can complain about centralized control, but then so many (other) people are completely against Web3, solutions like Unstoppable Domains are able to let you own a domain and only transfer it if you sign with your key. Why don't more browsers read a Web3-based domain system like Freenames, Unstoppable Domains, ENS, or Filecoin Name Service? DNS is a federated database, but it is subject to domain seizure etc. at multiple levels. I've seen people complain that their domain operator can just "steal" their domain! If browsers won't do it, can't someone start a CCTLD (it's only $250K) and then read the blockchain to resolve the DNS records? I realize that this "someone" would be a central point of failure, but alas, that's how the Web currently still works. The best you can do is some sort of "DNS multicast" I think, but it would still be under the control of one company, sadly. Personally, I'm a bit surprised why the Web hasn't standardized onion links / magnet links / hashes of content / cids / whatever you want to call them. Tor and Beaker Browser have had it for a long time, and Brave too I think. DNS then becomes just a glorified search engine for a small subset of URLs (the ones without a long path / querystring).
- duskwuff 2y ago
  > can't someone start a CCTLD (it's only $250K) No, they can't. ccTLDs are associated with countries. There's no process for creating one that doesn't involve having IANA recognize you as a country. You're probably thinking of the new gTLD process, which has only been open for applications once, for a brief period in 2012. It's not open to new applications, and the process for applicants was much more involved than a single payment.
  - dc396 2y ago
    ICANN says the next round will happen in 2026.
    - EGreg 2y ago
      Do you have more information on this? If you can link to it, that would be great. How much would it cost this time around?

freeone3000 2y ago

>claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations to operate them It being a CCTLD, this is a true claim. At a basic level, these tlds belong to the country, and that country sets the rules. Libya reclaiming from ICANN was a jerk move but their claims are absolutely right. (Most cctlds already have this requirement.)

dc396 2y ago
Libya didn't reclaim anything from ICANN -- ICANN didn't have anything of Libya's.

ransom1538 2y ago

"claiming you have to obey Libyan laws and regulations" I always smile when bosses want everything to be GDPR compliant. I am not sure why these laws are more important than the laws from the Chilean Navy. Why are we clicking on cookie popups? We think the EU is smarter than the PII laws from Cameroon? Elitism I say. My websites follow strict guidelines set by proper Constitution of Cameroon doctrines. Every fourth visit to my site we dump all contents in html form (obviously).

askvictor 2y ago
> GDPR compliant. I am not sure why these laws are more important than the laws from the Chilean Navy. Purely market size. Europe is a large market. Same reason that just about every product is labelled with 'known to the state of California to cause cancer' - California is a large market.
- swores 2y ago
  Not purely market size, though it's a very important part for sure. The other part is how likely a country is to try to enforce their laws, and what ability they will have to do so. Even if a hypothetical US company had an equal number of customers & revenue in Chile as in the EU, if either the Chilean law being broken is one that Chile never bothers to prosecute, or if the worst thing they could do should they find out about the law breaking is to block the service at a national firewall level but not levy any punishments (say, if the US company has no staff or assets in Chile, and the crime has no possibility for extradition or other international collaboration to punish) then the company would be a lot less likely to comply than they are with GDPR. Because most US companies aren't able/willing to serve EU customers without having servers, employees, and revenue, physically in the EU; therefore the worst case for getting caught breaking GDPR is considerably more worth avoiding than if it would just be the EU blocking access to your servers.
wafflemaker 2y ago
> Why are we clicking on cookie popups? Because people want to track us to make money from invading our privacy? You don't need a cookie consent banner if your cookies are needed to serve the client with your service. You can do analytics without cookies. So to answer your question - Why are we clicking on cookie popups? Because website owners don't want to stop selling your privacy and now have to inform you about it.

EGreg 2y ago

I really don't understand how so many people on HN can complain about centralized control, but then so many (other) people are completely against Web3, solutions like Unstoppable Domains are able to let you own a domain and only transfer it if you sign with your key. Why don't more browsers read a Web3-based domain system like Freenames, Unstoppable Domains, ENS, or Filecoin Name Service? DNS is a federated database, but it is subject to domain seizure etc. at multiple levels. I've seen people complain that their domain operator can just "steal" their domain! If browsers won't do it, can't someone start a CCTLD (it's only $250K) and then read the blockchain to resolve the DNS records? I realize that this "someone" would be a central point of failure, but alas, that's how the Web currently still works. The best you can do is some sort of "DNS multicast" I think, but it would still be under the control of one company, sadly. Personally, I'm a bit surprised why the Web hasn't standardized onion links / magnet links / hashes of content / cids / whatever you want to call them. Tor and Beaker Browser have had it for a long time, and Brave too I think. DNS then becomes just a glorified search engine for a small subset of URLs (the ones without a long path / querystring).

duskwuff 2y ago
> can't someone start a CCTLD (it's only $250K) No, they can't. ccTLDs are associated with countries. There's no process for creating one that doesn't involve having IANA recognize you as a country. You're probably thinking of the new gTLD process, which has only been open for applications once, for a brief period in 2012. It's not open to new applications, and the process for applicants was much more involved than a single payment.
- dc396 2y ago
  ICANN says the next round will happen in 2026.
  - EGreg 2y ago
    Do you have more information on this? If you can link to it, that would be great. How much would it cost this time around?