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As anecdotal evidence, I went on a strict keto diet three months ago and my mental state is far more stable. When I have a cheat day, I feel noticeably more anx

As anecdotal evidence, I went on a strict keto diet three months ago and my mental state is far more stable. When I have a cheat day, I feel noticeably more anxious.

brodouevencode 2y ago
Do you think that the perceived stability is a result of the diet or a result of losing weight (assuming that you have)?
- rpmisms 2y ago
  I have bodyfat below 10%, and keto improves my mental health. I have zero hang-ups about weight.
  - brodouevencode 2y ago
    That's kind of what I was thinking - and directly contradicts other claims in these comments that want to attribute it only to the weight loss. Personally I've cycled through keto a few times. I will say that while it did not line up with my goals sufficiently (you cannot powerlift/bodybuild long term on keto - your body _needs_ exogenous glucose for that) I was way more clear-headed and alert despite being tired all the time (presumably that's more because of the workouts).
hackerlight 2y ago
Does your cheat day involve processed carbs or whole grains?
zoeysmithe 2y ago
This is more evidence that you have an unknown food intolerance than keto being good for you. Red and processed meats are very clearly linked to heart disease and cancer. Most keto people eat large amounts of both. I have celiac disease and before it was diagnosed my anxiety and depression was much worse. I even tried keto once and felt better, because I wasn't eating gluten for the first time in my life. I think there's a larger conversation to be had about how we develop auto-immune issues and food intolerances as we age, but we really don't see that as a regular thing to worry about. Nor do we really have the tools to see what foods we cannot handle well other than elimination diets, which is what keto seems to accidentally be for many people.
- luxuryballs 2y ago
  > Red and processed meats are very clearly linked to heart disease and cancer. Got a source on this by chance?
  - zoeysmithe 2y ago
    There's multiple studies, but here is a summary of the Harvard study: https://ncdalliance.org/es/news-events/news/red-meat-increases-death-cancer-and-heart-risk-says-harvard-study https://ncdalliance.org/es/news-events/news/red-meat-increas... A diet high in red meat can shorten life expectancy, according to researchers at Harvard Medical School. The study of more than 120,000 people suggested red meat increased the risk of death from cancer and heart problems. Substituting red meat with fish, chicken or nuts lowered the risks, the authors said. The British Heart Foundation said red meat could still be eaten as part of a balanced diet. The researchers analysed data from 37,698 men between 1986 and 2008 and 83,644 women between 1980 and 2008. They said that during the study period, adding an extra portion of unprocessed red meat to someone's daily diet would increase the risk of death by 13%, of fatal cardiovascular disease by 18% and of cancer mortality by 10%. The figures for processed meat were higher, 20% for overall mortality, 21% for death from heart problems and 16% for cancer mortality. The study, published in Archives of Internal Medicine, said: "We found that a higher intake of red meat was associated with a significantly elevated risk of total, cardiovascular disease, and cancer mortality. More at the national cancer institute: https://progressreport.cancer.gov/prevention/red_meat https://progressreport.cancer.gov/prevention/red_meat
    - nradov 2y ago
      That study you cited is junk science which relied on low quality data and failed to control for key confounders. A more comprehensive review study in the same journal concluded as follows. "The magnitude of association between red and processed meat consumption and all-cause mortality and adverse cardiometabolic outcomes is very small, and the evidence is of low certainty." https://doi.org/10.7326/M19-0655 https://doi.org/10.7326/M19-0655
    - luxuryballs 2y ago
sys32768 2y ago
I tried keto and felt good and lost weight, but everyone keeps telling me it's bad for my heart. I'm 30lbs overweight and don't have much energy, so that feels bad for my heart too.
- rrr_oh_man 2y ago
  Add a cheat day to reset every week or so.
- ragazzina 2y ago
  Did you do the only-eggs-and-bacon keto, or the mostly-greens-and-proteins keto?
jurassicfoxy 2y ago
Sadly my experience is that keto did absolutely nothing for my overall mood. Strict keto for many (6+?) months. I was quite disappointed by my own lack of results, mentally. Physically: absolutely amazing results.
alsaffar 2y ago
My data point also is the same. But concerning cheat days, I decided to reintroduce carbs one type at a time in measured amounts to find which ones and how much bothered me. It’s still underway but now I know to not have oats (commercial oat milk specifically; “organic”) in any amount, it bothers me too much even though it tastes nice. Or sour dough bread made with one specific brand of wheat for example. It’s easier to experiment this way so i can transition into a 3 month keto / 3 month low carb diet which is my goal after i reach the body composition i want.

As anecdotal evidence, I went on a strict keto diet three months ago and my mental state is far more stable. When I have a cheat day, I feel noticeably more anxious.

brodouevencode 2y ago

Do you think that the perceived stability is a result of the diet or a result of losing weight (assuming that you have)?

rpmisms 2y ago
I have bodyfat below 10%, and keto improves my mental health. I have zero hang-ups about weight.
- brodouevencode 2y ago
  That's kind of what I was thinking - and directly contradicts other claims in these comments that want to attribute it only to the weight loss. Personally I've cycled through keto a few times. I will say that while it did not line up with my goals sufficiently (you cannot powerlift/bodybuild long term on keto - your body _needs_ exogenous glucose for that) I was way more clear-headed and alert despite being tired all the time (presumably that's more because of the workouts).

hackerlight 2y ago

Does your cheat day involve processed carbs or whole grains?

zoeysmithe 2y ago

This is more evidence that you have an unknown food intolerance than keto being good for you. Red and processed meats are very clearly linked to heart disease and cancer. Most keto people eat large amounts of both. I have celiac disease and before it was diagnosed my anxiety and depression was much worse. I even tried keto once and felt better, because I wasn't eating gluten for the first time in my life. I think there's a larger conversation to be had about how we develop auto-immune issues and food intolerances as we age, but we really don't see that as a regular thing to worry about. Nor do we really have the tools to see what foods we cannot handle well other than elimination diets, which is what keto seems to accidentally be for many people.

luxuryballs 2y ago
> Red and processed meats are very clearly linked to heart disease and cancer. Got a source on this by chance?
- zoeysmithe 2y ago
  There's multiple studies, but here is a summary of the Harvard study: https://ncdalliance.org/es/news-events/news/red-meat-increases-death-cancer-and-heart-risk-says-harvard-study https://ncdalliance.org/es/news-events/news/red-meat-increas... A diet high in red meat can shorten life expectancy, according to researchers at Harvard Medical School. The study of more than 120,000 people suggested red meat increased the risk of death from cancer and heart problems. Substituting red meat with fish, chicken or nuts lowered the risks, the authors said. The British Heart Foundation said red meat could still be eaten as part of a balanced diet. The researchers analysed data from 37,698 men between 1986 and 2008 and 83,644 women between 1980 and 2008. They said that during the study period, adding an extra portion of unprocessed red meat to someone's daily diet would increase the risk of death by 13%, of fatal cardiovascular disease by 18% and of cancer mortality by 10%. The figures for processed meat were higher, 20% for overall mortality, 21% for death from heart problems and 16% for cancer mortality. The study, published in Archives of Internal Medicine, said: "We found that a higher intake of red meat was associated with a significantly elevated risk of total, cardiovascular disease, and cancer mortality. More at the national cancer institute: https://progressreport.cancer.gov/prevention/red_meat https://progressreport.cancer.gov/prevention/red_meat
  - nradov 2y ago
    That study you cited is junk science which relied on low quality data and failed to control for key confounders. A more comprehensive review study in the same journal concluded as follows. "The magnitude of association between red and processed meat consumption and all-cause mortality and adverse cardiometabolic outcomes is very small, and the evidence is of low certainty." https://doi.org/10.7326/M19-0655 https://doi.org/10.7326/M19-0655
  - luxuryballs 2y ago

sys32768 2y ago

I tried keto and felt good and lost weight, but everyone keeps telling me it's bad for my heart. I'm 30lbs overweight and don't have much energy, so that feels bad for my heart too.

rrr_oh_man 2y ago
Add a cheat day to reset every week or so.
ragazzina 2y ago
Did you do the only-eggs-and-bacon keto, or the mostly-greens-and-proteins keto?

jurassicfoxy 2y ago

Sadly my experience is that keto did absolutely nothing for my overall mood. Strict keto for many (6+?) months. I was quite disappointed by my own lack of results, mentally. Physically: absolutely amazing results.

alsaffar 2y ago

My data point also is the same. But concerning cheat days, I decided to reintroduce carbs one type at a time in measured amounts to find which ones and how much bothered me. It’s still underway but now I know to not have oats (commercial oat milk specifically; “organic”) in any amount, it bothers me too much even though it tastes nice. Or sour dough bread made with one specific brand of wheat for example. It’s easier to experiment this way so i can transition into a 3 month keto / 3 month low carb diet which is my goal after i reach the body composition i want.