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I'm an extremely strong believer that the sun has consciousness. I think there exists quantum processes that causes consciousness and that suns, gravitons, etc.

I'm an extremely strong believer that the sun has consciousness. I think there exists quantum processes that causes consciousness and that suns, gravitons, etc. all have it. I likely won't be alive to ever find out, but if someone does discover it, I hope a historian finds this thread :)

visarga 2y ago
I am a strong believer that consciousness has a purpose. It is related to self-replication because consciousness necessitates evolution to come about, and evolution necessitates consciousness to keep the organism alive. They need each other. Evolution is the outer process, consciousness the inner process. Celestial bodies lack the reason & means. Not to mention the slowness of light at cosmic distance. Any consciousness would need to be within a small light cone to operate at normal speeds. https://mindmachina.wixsite.com/ai-blog/post/the-emergence-of-consciousness-and-intelligence-in-biological-and-artificial-systems https://mindmachina.wixsite.com/ai-blog/post/the-emergence-o...
- altruios 2y ago
  Who says things need to operate on our timeframe?
- zaphod420 2y ago
  I am a strong believer that humans only experience a limited amount of the full experience that is available with consciousness. We have no idea what perceived sensations a start might have. Maybe stars operate on a quantum level that we don't understand yet.
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  - gamepsys 2y ago
    I am extremely skeptical about all things regarding consciousness, and nothing stated in this thread has done anything to reduce my skepticism. We barely know anything about human consciousness, I feel we are under qualified to speak with conviction about anything else's level of consciousness.
    - EMM_386 2y ago
      > I feel we are under qualified to speak with conviction about anything else's level of consciousness You don't need to feel that ... that's the truth! There is not a human being alive on the planet at the moment who can explain consciousness. Not even Chalmers. "David Chalmers - Is Consciousness Fundamental? - Closer To Truth" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHN6A8y6qY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHN6A8y6qY
- grantcas 2y ago
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Simon_ORourke 2y ago
You missed out the bit about crystals, and how our vibrations influence our aura.
Zambyte 2y ago
What is consciousness to you?
proc0 2y ago
Pan-psychism does not work because so far everything we know that for sure has C also has some form of information processing. We know the brain is doing information processing, and living beings with brains that do this complex computations are the ones with C. While it might still not be a definitive proof or cause, it is a strong correlation, and there is no reason to think anything that is not doing complex computation is conscious.

visarga 2y ago

I am a strong believer that consciousness has a purpose. It is related to self-replication because consciousness necessitates evolution to come about, and evolution necessitates consciousness to keep the organism alive. They need each other. Evolution is the outer process, consciousness the inner process. Celestial bodies lack the reason & means. Not to mention the slowness of light at cosmic distance. Any consciousness would need to be within a small light cone to operate at normal speeds. https://mindmachina.wixsite.com/ai-blog/post/the-emergence-of-consciousness-and-intelligence-in-biological-and-artificial-systems https://mindmachina.wixsite.com/ai-blog/post/the-emergence-o...

altruios 2y ago
Who says things need to operate on our timeframe?
zaphod420 2y ago
I am a strong believer that humans only experience a limited amount of the full experience that is available with consciousness. We have no idea what perceived sensations a start might have. Maybe stars operate on a quantum level that we don't understand yet.
- deleted 2y ago
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- gamepsys 2y ago
  I am extremely skeptical about all things regarding consciousness, and nothing stated in this thread has done anything to reduce my skepticism. We barely know anything about human consciousness, I feel we are under qualified to speak with conviction about anything else's level of consciousness.
  - EMM_386 2y ago
    > I feel we are under qualified to speak with conviction about anything else's level of consciousness You don't need to feel that ... that's the truth! There is not a human being alive on the planet at the moment who can explain consciousness. Not even Chalmers. "David Chalmers - Is Consciousness Fundamental? - Closer To Truth" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHN6A8y6qY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHN6A8y6qY
grantcas 2y ago
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Simon_ORourke 2y ago

You missed out the bit about crystals, and how our vibrations influence our aura.

Zambyte 2y ago

What is consciousness to you?

proc0 2y ago

Pan-psychism does not work because so far everything we know that for sure has C also has some form of information processing. We know the brain is doing information processing, and living beings with brains that do this complex computations are the ones with C. While it might still not be a definitive proof or cause, it is a strong correlation, and there is no reason to think anything that is not doing complex computation is conscious.