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Which is peanuts compared to the 350 million that the VCs invested. You're totally right, but I think the internal financial pressure is higher.

gklitz 2y ago
Ah, so it’s not about open source and moral responsibilities. It’s about the responsibility we all owe to VCs to ensure they make money. Gotcha.
- Tabular-Iceberg 2y ago
  Isn’t that the deal we sign up for when we take VC money? I like free money as much as the next guy, but VC isn’t it.
  - Macha 2y ago
    Who's we though? The former Garantia data did, but redis users didn't. (And also I'd argue most of redis' value to users was already in place before the VC backed company got involved)
    - Tabular-Iceberg 2y ago
      You’re right of course. From my point of view managed databases only really make sense for toy projects, if you’re using these things at scale it’s much more economical to buy some servers and hire some people of your own, and use plain pre-VC Redis. But big corporations seem to have some kind of a fetish for lighting money on fire, and the fight here is fundamentally over in whose fireplace to do it.
      - zilti 2y ago
        Yes, it is ludicrous. My company uses hosted databases and "droplets" from DigitalOcean. Their pricing is absolutely absurd. I always wondered how they stay in business, but now I know.
      - chii 2y ago
        > From my point of view managed databases only really make sense for toy projects it is more expensive to buy managed, but you offload work. I would imagine toy projects are more cash constrained, and makes more sense to rent cheap servers and roll your own. On the other hand, larger scale projects would rather pay to offload the work of managing and scaling redis.
        ensignavenger 2y ago
        In my experience using redis, one of its better attributes is how easy it is to manage and scale. I've never scaled it to say, Facebook levels, but at that scale, I'm not sure managed services make much sense either.
        Tabular-Iceberg 2y ago
        Toy project are both cash and time constrained, but they’re at a scale where managed is cheap enough because they want to get you hooked. Large scale projects can take advantage of economies of scale and hire ops people. I’ve found cloud support pretty lacklustre compared to having someone to talk to face-to-face who understands the whole stack for your particular application. Of course conventional corporate wisdom says waste as much as you like on services as long as you keep payroll down, that may be a bigger challenge than any of the technical ones.
    - ufocia 2y ago
      All the Redis users have is a license to use and an expectation. An expectation is a belief that Santa will bring presents, that's all. Where the value is or was is pure sophistry. You don't have a crystal ball, just like everyone else. All this discussion is envious bellyaching from those that are probably leeches themselves. They just want the free gravy train running for themselves.
      - ensignavenger 2y ago
        And the license allows them to fork it. Which is what they are doing. Open Source working exactly as it should. I just want to be sure the facts are understood. Amazon has many faults and there are plenty of reasons to dislike and not use them. But leeching off of Redis Labs is not one of them.

gklitz 2y ago

Ah, so it’s not about open source and moral responsibilities. It’s about the responsibility we all owe to VCs to ensure they make money. Gotcha.

Tabular-Iceberg 2y ago
Isn’t that the deal we sign up for when we take VC money? I like free money as much as the next guy, but VC isn’t it.
- Macha 2y ago
  Who's we though? The former Garantia data did, but redis users didn't. (And also I'd argue most of redis' value to users was already in place before the VC backed company got involved)
  - Tabular-Iceberg 2y ago
    You’re right of course. From my point of view managed databases only really make sense for toy projects, if you’re using these things at scale it’s much more economical to buy some servers and hire some people of your own, and use plain pre-VC Redis. But big corporations seem to have some kind of a fetish for lighting money on fire, and the fight here is fundamentally over in whose fireplace to do it.
    - zilti 2y ago
      Yes, it is ludicrous. My company uses hosted databases and "droplets" from DigitalOcean. Their pricing is absolutely absurd. I always wondered how they stay in business, but now I know.
    - chii 2y ago
      > From my point of view managed databases only really make sense for toy projects it is more expensive to buy managed, but you offload work. I would imagine toy projects are more cash constrained, and makes more sense to rent cheap servers and roll your own. On the other hand, larger scale projects would rather pay to offload the work of managing and scaling redis.
      - ensignavenger 2y ago
        In my experience using redis, one of its better attributes is how easy it is to manage and scale. I've never scaled it to say, Facebook levels, but at that scale, I'm not sure managed services make much sense either.
      - Tabular-Iceberg 2y ago
        Toy project are both cash and time constrained, but they’re at a scale where managed is cheap enough because they want to get you hooked. Large scale projects can take advantage of economies of scale and hire ops people. I’ve found cloud support pretty lacklustre compared to having someone to talk to face-to-face who understands the whole stack for your particular application. Of course conventional corporate wisdom says waste as much as you like on services as long as you keep payroll down, that may be a bigger challenge than any of the technical ones.
  - ufocia 2y ago
    All the Redis users have is a license to use and an expectation. An expectation is a belief that Santa will bring presents, that's all. Where the value is or was is pure sophistry. You don't have a crystal ball, just like everyone else. All this discussion is envious bellyaching from those that are probably leeches themselves. They just want the free gravy train running for themselves.
    - ensignavenger 2y ago
      And the license allows them to fork it. Which is what they are doing. Open Source working exactly as it should. I just want to be sure the facts are understood. Amazon has many faults and there are plenty of reasons to dislike and not use them. But leeching off of Redis Labs is not one of them.