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Presumably you are using a de-googled Android phone then? For most people, the choice is between giving that data to Apple or giving it to Google. Personally I

Presumably you are using a de-googled Android phone then? For most people, the choice is between giving that data to Apple or giving it to Google. Personally I am more worried about an advertising company leaking/misusing my data than a hardware company that has made privacy a differentiator in their branding. Not saying I trust that but you have to weigh up your risk factors

NicoJuicy 3y ago
Apple is also an advertising company. https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ Google is also a hardware company
- BenFranklin100 3y ago
  Go look at the respective 10Ks and then get back to us on where each companies makes their money. Google apologists are an incredible bunch.
  - NicoJuicy 3y ago
    Why do you think Apple is allowed in China. You think Apple cares about your privacy? It's part of their PR, sure.
    - astrange 3y ago
      "Privacy" is not illegal in China. China has privacy regulations the US doesn't. Even if law enforcement can see absolutely everything (which they can't) the state still isn't interested in letting random other private parties see everything about you.
    - cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
      You’re moving the goalposts. Privacy from the data harvesting private sector, and privacy from the State, are different propositions. We see clearly talking about the former, and Apple has a….fairly good, but imperfect track record with the latter.
      - NicoJuicy 3y ago
        Interesting, since Google ( as far as I know) doesn't share any of it's data it has to other parties in the private sector either. Suggesting Google has a bad reputation with sharing data to private companies isn't going to be enough. I'd like to see some proof to back that up...
lern_too_spel 3y ago
No. A Googled Android phone lets you choose which Google services you want to choose. It doesn't send any of the data to Google I mentioned earlier that an iPhone sends to Apple, so there isn't even a chance to misuse it.
- funnybeam 3y ago
  Really? Google doesn’t know your GPS location or what apps you’ve installed? How does Maps and the Play Store work then?
  - lern_too_spel 3y ago
    Apple knows your location if any app uses the GPS. On Android, even Google Android, you're free to use fully on-device maps that don't send your location to anyone, or you could use competing apps that don't send your location to Google. Similarly, you can install apps from an APK from anywhere without telling Google or anybody else that you've installed them, even on Google Android. User control means privacy, not just better features.
    - funnybeam 3y ago
      So, de-googled then. You're using a different App Store/sideloading and disabling a load of the functionality in Google Maps (GPS is kind of useful for navigation) As I said, this isn't an option for most people.
      - lern_too_spel 3y ago
        Not de-Googled. Running a stock Google build. GPS doesn't require Google. It just reads radio signals. Only Apple requires sending the result of analyzing those GPS signals back to Apple, even if you just want to use it to find your location on a map stored locally. Apple doesn't give you any options for privacy.
        jiggawatts 3y ago

NicoJuicy 3y ago

Apple is also an advertising company. https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ Google is also a hardware company

BenFranklin100 3y ago
Go look at the respective 10Ks and then get back to us on where each companies makes their money. Google apologists are an incredible bunch.
- NicoJuicy 3y ago
  Why do you think Apple is allowed in China. You think Apple cares about your privacy? It's part of their PR, sure.
  - astrange 3y ago
    "Privacy" is not illegal in China. China has privacy regulations the US doesn't. Even if law enforcement can see absolutely everything (which they can't) the state still isn't interested in letting random other private parties see everything about you.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
    You’re moving the goalposts. Privacy from the data harvesting private sector, and privacy from the State, are different propositions. We see clearly talking about the former, and Apple has a….fairly good, but imperfect track record with the latter.
    - NicoJuicy 3y ago
      Interesting, since Google ( as far as I know) doesn't share any of it's data it has to other parties in the private sector either. Suggesting Google has a bad reputation with sharing data to private companies isn't going to be enough. I'd like to see some proof to back that up...

lern_too_spel 3y ago

No. A Googled Android phone lets you choose which Google services you want to choose. It doesn't send any of the data to Google I mentioned earlier that an iPhone sends to Apple, so there isn't even a chance to misuse it.

funnybeam 3y ago
Really? Google doesn’t know your GPS location or what apps you’ve installed? How does Maps and the Play Store work then?
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  Apple knows your location if any app uses the GPS. On Android, even Google Android, you're free to use fully on-device maps that don't send your location to anyone, or you could use competing apps that don't send your location to Google. Similarly, you can install apps from an APK from anywhere without telling Google or anybody else that you've installed them, even on Google Android. User control means privacy, not just better features.
  - funnybeam 3y ago
    So, de-googled then. You're using a different App Store/sideloading and disabling a load of the functionality in Google Maps (GPS is kind of useful for navigation) As I said, this isn't an option for most people.
    - lern_too_spel 3y ago
      Not de-Googled. Running a stock Google build. GPS doesn't require Google. It just reads radio signals. Only Apple requires sending the result of analyzing those GPS signals back to Apple, even if you just want to use it to find your location on a map stored locally. Apple doesn't give you any options for privacy.
      - jiggawatts 3y ago